lapua Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 10 shots 80m off bonnet. Geko semi auto. I put the flyer down to being the first shot out from changing from winchester subs back to the geko. It wasnt very keen on the subs. Josh Martin did a review of the bergara.22lr with different ammo, the geko wasn’t the best but at £3 per 50 its good for practice and pest control. Josh’s review is on Facebook and youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palo Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, No i deer said: I'd be very surprised if they hadn't changed anything bar the packaging.. They were the best ammo in my gun originally and now there the worst..!! I tried one box of the new ones . Groups were 1.5 to 2 inches at 50 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, palo said: I tried one box of the new ones . Groups were 1.5 to 2 inches at 50 yards Same here but I bought 500 so I had to blast alot off to get rid of them. I gave some away for a mate to try as he was running out of the old eleys. Not heard back yet how it went.. Maybe he hasn't tried them yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, lapua said: 10 shots 80m off bonnet. Geko semi auto. I put the flyer down to being the first shot out from changing from winchester subs back to the geko. It wasnt very keen on the subs. Josh Martin did a review of the bergara.22lr with different ammo, the geko wasn’t the best but at £3 per 50 its good for practice and pest control. Josh’s review is on Facebook and youtube. That's pretty decent from 80m and from a semi 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapua Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, No i deer said: That's pretty decent from 80m and from a semi 👍 Its not a semi, the ammo is Geko semi auto. Gun is a bergara b14 .22 in an aics ax stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 Ok bud I must have read it wrong. I'm not familiar with bergara or geko semi auto 👍. Still a decent group from 80m with a 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggy Posted September 1, 2020 Report Share Posted September 1, 2020 Had dabble with my .22lr AR today the gun is a double star lower with a god awful trigger that breaks at something ridiculous, scope is a 1-6 x28;vortex strike eagle the upper is a tactical solutions and the rounds used were Winchester hollow point subs RWS match Eley match distance was 64 yard wind was fairly light and stable I took out a couple of sub 12 fx impacts but the pellets were being pushed all over the place best I could manage was about 2.5 “ with the .22 and 2” with the .20 really becoming a fan of the .20 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted September 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 Eley match grouping well there Keep em coming - nice to see real world accuracy Question should the “flier” not be considered part of the otherwise great group You see a heap of posts on other sites stating look at the superb group , with flier or “pulled /shot” not included ,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggy Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 Everything shot should be part of the group good or bad , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggy Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 In the field laying on the truck bed liner and a lovely day for it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Ronin said: Eley match grouping well there Keep em coming - nice to see real world accuracy Question should the “flier” not be considered part of the otherwise great group You see a heap of posts on other sites stating look at the superb group , with flier or “pulled /shot” not included ,,,, 😀😀 The "flyer" is absolutely part of the group. I think a lot of these 1/4moa groups you regularly hear about are three shot affairs with the cold barrel shot and the flyer discounted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Aggy said: Everything shot should be part of the group good or bad , Absolutely - 22lr seems to be unique as a calibre in which people seem to think ignoring any parts of a group that they don't like is 'OK' - that's why there seems to be so much overstatement of accuracy in this calibre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, 1066 said: 😀😀 The "flyer" is absolutely part of the group. I think a lot of these 1/4moa groups you regularly hear about are three shot affairs with the cold barrel shot and the flyer discounted. 100% the view I've come to hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, brown dog said: 100% the view I've come to hold the logical conclusion is; of the five shot's I fired only one wasn't a flyer - what a group! All in the same hole !! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markymark Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 Tried some tennex once. Very good but not worth double the cost of SK rifle match as it’s not double the performance! I’m in agreement. Fliers count, be it the person or wind! Also when it comes to .22LR I think 10 shot groups give you a lot of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Ronin said: Eley match grouping well there Interesting to note how much better the Match quality ammunition is, I also think that at the longer ranges the difference is even more apparent. A fairly consistent .22 rifle/ammo combination that regularly shoots 1moa at 50 yards won't necessarily shoot regular 1moa groups at 100yds. When the velocity of even good quality match ammunition is measured it doesn't come close to good handloaded centrefire ammunition for consistency and as a percentage of it's speed it's even more disappointing. ie. a centrefire with an MV of 3,000fps with single figure ES and a .22lr Match at 1060 fps with an ES 30fps The better accuracy of the match quality ammunition show up in this short video where I compared 6 different types of ammunition - these were shot with a Russian CM2 single shot match rifle outside in breezy conditions at 65 yards. Of course a far from comprehensive test, as we've already said, a single group will tell us little, other than the ammunition can be eliminated from further trials and no cleaning/fouling shots between groups was carried out. (The caravan seen in the video is derelict and my base when I want a brew) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Popsbengo said: the logical conclusion is; of the five shot's I fired only one wasn't a flyer - what a group! All in the same hole !! 😂 😂😂 yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 With an idle moment, I'm running a little experiment right now. Just set up 50m tgt and precision benchrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 Bit gusty and veering from left 90 to 45 deg. Timing shots on the sound of the wind in the leaves of the tree next to me. 1st 5rd tgt. Lovely 4rd bughole. Don't like that 'flyer', might have to ignore it.🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 2nd tgt not as good. I still like the look of a 1 o'clock bughole, so I'm going new22lr-style on it and calling the two outliers as flyers: so another 1 oclock 'thumbnail' tgt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 Re. tuners, they do make quite a bit of difference on the couple of rifles I've use them on. The groups became 'rounder' in nature - so might help with your fliers? shooting 22rf' for accuracy/consistency is fun and not too expensive (caveat - ignoring Midas + etc. 😮) Will have to go shoot some cards and post. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 3rd tgt. I like that cluster that keeps happening at 1 o'clock. I'm putting the 2 outliers down to a wind and, because we all know wind just isnt fair on a .22, I'm ignoring them. A solid 0.2in performance on all 3 targets. Easy-peasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted September 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 You could have adjusted your scope mid group too to call it good i admire your honesty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinC Posted September 2, 2020 Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 This 5 shot at 50 mt score was shot prone with a sling, (not rested) the Rifle is a match Walther KK500, the ammo is RWS R50. That combination is capable of holding the X ring all day, just as long as its pointed there! Have Fun Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted September 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2020 Wow , that is superb shooting Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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