One on top of two Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Remmy 700 -ish 6.5 creedmoor 42 grains RS62 2805 FPS 136 scenar L 41 grains RS60 2830 FPS 135 burg hybrid 41 grain RS 60 2810 FPS 139 scenar 24 “ 5R stainless barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 760mm 8 twist barrel, (Lothar). Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilM Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Accuracy International AT with 26” 6.5 CM LW barrel. Factory Ammo: Sako TRG 136gr Ammo (Scenar-L) 2832FPS av. (10.8SD) Hornady 120gr ELD-M 2922FPS av. (27.5SD). Hornady 120gr A-Max 2972FPS av.(20.0SD) Hornady 140gr ELD-M 2789FPS BA. (20.0SD) Home Loaded: 139gr Scenars, Lapua Brass, CCI BR4, 42gr H4350 2786FPS av. (5.4SD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeJ Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 Bergara 24", Peterson brass, CCI 200: Lapua 139 Scenar: 40.6gr RS62 2630fps 41.9g RS62 2730fps 42.8gr RS62 2780fps 142gr Sierra MK: 42.2gr RS62 2630fps Factory: Hornady 140ELD Match 2670fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 On 11/16/2019 at 6:02 PM, Re-Pete said: Interesting..............so what's the advantage of the Creed over the 6.5x47 ? I get 136grain Scenar "L"'s going accurately at 2920fps using RS60 in my std 6.5x47................. Pete I should hope so with a 30” barrel ! And one of the hottest powders universe.. I just love the way 47 lap owners seem to have this incessant need validate the calibre and there choice haha 😂 yes we all know it’s a great calibre! I have one sitting upstairs and I love it , it’s in need of some TLC but it still shoots ok . ( My creedmoor will kick it’s ass though 🖕🏻) sorry 😁 if you really want to know the difference between the 6.5x47 - 6.5 creedmoor. - .260 it’s easy .......NOWT really there all so very similar, to the point there is no clear advantage over any particular one from a ballistics point of view . The main difference seems to be the type of shooter each calibre appeals too . for me , my creedmoor is a hunting rifle first and a range rifle second, as two is my .308 and with both calibres I have the option of factory ammo if for some reason I can’t obtain all of the components for my home loads , it’s nice to have that little bit of reassurance in the form of a plan B 👍.with the 47 I don’t have the same options, I can’t remember the last I saw any 6.5x47 factory ammo . Either way it’s not readily available. also I have found the Creedmoor with its slightly higher case capacity seems to handle the heavier 147 grains better than my 47 . anyway ...IMO the best all round 6.5 is .... and always has been and the foreseeable future is the 6.5 x55 it wipes the deck with all of the above. .. end of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 The big difference between them, and I'm sick of saying this, is the 47 was never designed for 140 grain bullets. Its too much for the case, and you usually cant attain enough speed to achieve BC. The Creed WAS designed to shoot 120 and 140 grain A-max initially. The .260 has its own problems such as mag length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapua Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, baldie said: The big difference between them, and I'm sick of saying this, is the 47 was never designed for 140 grain bullets. Its too much for the case, and you usually cant attain enough speed to achieve BC. The Creed WAS designed to shoot 120 and 140 grain A-max initially. The .260 has its own problems such as mag length. And for PRL shooting the 140’s are where its at. The signature on steel and splashes if you miss are disproportionately greater for the 140’s over the 123’s. I shot 6.5x47l for years, 3 different rifles, moved away to 6xc but have gone back to 6.5, in the mighty creed. For the cost of an extra set of dies in the house, I wouldn’t not go creedmoor, it is simply a better choice for PRL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 Si snipe uses the 147gr ELDM's in his 6.5x47 and rates it very highly 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 So it looks like the only thing I'm really missing is the availability of factory ammo....................I'll take that. And add that out of all the rifles I have, the very last one to go would be the 6BR............. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 Well as long as your all happy. That’s all that really matters 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 11 hours ago, No i deer said: Si snipe uses the 147gr ELDM's in his 6.5x47 and rates it very highly 👍 I know a lot of people that do. They are always very accurate indeed, but you cannot ignore simple physics. If you cannot push the bullet at the speed the BC was measured at, its as relevant as jeremy Corbyn. ie, as much use as tits on a fish. the 6.5 x 47 is, or can be a very dangerous little case. The knife edge between stupidly high speeds and abject disaster, is a very thin one indeed. Loose primer pockets in a couple of tenths of a grain of powder, are all you get, then its Kaboom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 Used 47 for at least 13 years in numerous rifles, stupidly accurate and a very fine deer killer I don’t use anything above 130g I refuse to own a xxxxmoor However, I am building something that will excel with 140-150 g projectiles that will mag feed, use all case capacity and not require magnum or 284 case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak tree Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, Ronin said: Used 47 for at least 13 years in numerous rifles, stupidly accurate and a very fine deer killer I don’t use anything above 130g I refuse to own a xxxxmoor However, I am building something that will excel with 140-150 g projectiles that will mag feed, use all case capacity and not require magnum or 284 case Very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 I’m not the only one going this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch-22 Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 6.5x55ai by chance?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Catch-22 said: 6.5x55ai by chance?? This is not new , it’s been kicked about with for the past 15 y but never really seemed to get going . But best of luck to you though 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapua Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 hours ago, Catch-22 said: 6.5x55ai by chance?? I think more like .260 rem AI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 6.5 x 55 AI is not short action. The .260 AI has real potential, mainly due to the advent of the small primered Peterson brass. Mine is giving 3050 with a 142 grain bullet, and the barrel hasn't broken in yet. Not stupid speeds, and limited by my large diameter firing pin a little. A very useful and marked increase over the Creedmoor though. I've never been one to shove a cartridge as absolutely hard as it will go. Guns are never pleasant to shoot like that. Use enough cartridge/bullet, and run it properly. I have a 6.5 x 55 AI reamer, and plan to give that a go shortly too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlts Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I’m really keen to see how these bigger cartridges work out in next years PRL. Especially as the trend amongst the best shooters is going smaller - Case capacity and calibre for recoil mitigation. Exciting times indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 I've had a 6.5-06 and it was superb. I'd agree that the 6.5x47 cartridge has its limitation but it's not about all out powder and velocity.. Accuracy is all..!!! If you want all out powder then the 6.5x284 will suit all your needs... I only tried some 123gr amaxs once in my 47 and couldn't see any reason to change from the 139s or 140s.. The small variation in BC means is so little from 140 to 147 I doubt if us mere mortals would notice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Marginal increase in recoil over the “trendy” cartridge using similar bullet weight ”Best shooters using smaller calibre” - that may be in the states where bullet splash on misses can be seen (drier dustier conditions) but I don’t think the 6mm cartridges offer any advantage unless you push the projectile at very fast velocities to maximise BC The trade off being barrel wear and throat erosion of course which will be increased with rapid courses of fire 6mm not much use in factory class either unless you use a 243 Many of the Skandinavian shooters are using straight 6.5/55 Skan to good advantage with 123, 130, 140 class bullets, 6.5/55 improvers is popular too No recoil disadvantage from what I’ve seen from their “top shooters” Lets not forget either that at the birth of steel plate shooting of this type the 260, 260 AI and 6.5/47 were class leaders used to great effect by the likes of George Gardner, Terry Cross and Zac Smith Exiting times indeed and I concur with Dave in the direction we’re both pursuing though using different platforms to do so Health permitting I hope to attend as many comps as possible next year if not I’ll be looking for a suitable candidate to use my rifle and mix it with “the best” 🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 24” proof research barrel. 140gr eld m. 2680fps SD 2.8. That’s under 200 through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlts Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Ronin said: Marginal increase in recoil over the “trendy” cartridge using similar bullet weight ”Best shooters using smaller calibre” - that may be in the states where bullet splash on misses can be seen (drier dustier conditions) but I don’t think the 6mm cartridges offer any advantage unless you push the projectile at very fast velocities to maximise BC The trade off being barrel wear and throat erosion of course which will be increased with rapid courses of fire 6mm not much use in factory class either unless you use a 243 Many of the Skandinavian shooters are using straight 6.5/55 Skan to good advantage with 123, 130, 140 class bullets, 6.5/55 improvers is popular too No recoil disadvantage from what I’ve seen from their “top shooters” Lets not forget either that at the birth of steel plate shooting of this type the 260, 260 AI and 6.5/47 were class leaders used to great effect by the likes of George Gardner, Terry Cross and Zac Smith Exiting times indeed and I concur with Dave in the direction we’re both pursuing though using different platforms to do so Health permitting I hope to attend as many comps as possible next year if not I’ll be looking for a suitable candidate to use my rifle and mix it with “the best” 🙈 Plenty of 6 Creedmoor factory options available that will out perform a 243 and more components become available by the month. When 6.5 barrels are being swapped at 2-2200 rounds barrel life isn't really a consideration The bulk of the top Americans aren't wringing the the necks of cartridges for MV, rather leaning towards lower MV and pressure for increased consistency and function in all the conditions encountered. I'm sure they wouldn't do this without an advantage. The Irish guys showed how well the 6mm's can perform in the UK by doing rather well, the general consensus being avoid the issue of spotting splash by hitting first time! Next year is going to be a great one to watch from an equipment perspective, with so many different variations. I can't wait for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Barrel life will be significantly less in the 6mm if used in repeat string situation (such as Precision Rifle Competition) I’m sure it will be a great year for manufacturers and suppliers now the market is “hooked” on chasing the next best thing Anyway all this is dissolving the OP thread content a little Any more real world velocities for the cartridge referred to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Any guestimates on barrel life in a 260 ackley...?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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