martin_b Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 https://nra.org.uk/covid-19-19-12-2020/ Thats screwed tomorrow then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrema Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 I guess i was lucky getting a target at Short Siberia yesterday afternoon then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_b Posted December 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 TBH, I took a cheeky couple of hours off yesterday morning and had 150 clays on the pay and play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_b Posted December 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Now Im confused! The NRA statment about the closure has disapeared, and my local golf course ( tier4) was packed this morning when i walked the dog. Interesting update on golf which I guess could apply to shooting? https://www.englandgolf.org/covid-19-update-golf-courses-remain-open-in-tier-4-locations/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_b Posted December 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 To update my own post.. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/golf/golf-tier-4-london-courses-open-b1776595.html Both courses and driving ranges will be allowed to remain open in Tier 4 areas in England, with the government confirming that “outdoor sports courts, outdoor gyms, golf courses, outdoor swimming pools, archery/driving/shooting ranges, riding centres and playgrounds” will not be closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triffid Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Not the NRA's fault. The NRA range manager ring me up at 19:00 yesterday evening to say they were closed today. They do what they can based on the information provided to them. This is just BoJo making it up as he goes along. No Planning. No Impact Assessment. No Comms. Pathetic. It's perfect weather here. It would have been a great morning's shoot. Triffid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_b Posted December 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 I certainly dont blame the NRA, hopefully it will reopen tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellboy Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 The Bisley range yesterday was pretty empty but everyone was sensible they seemed well set up to cope and i must admit it was a great day (my shooting was crap as usual ) and good to be out . I think they had no real option but to close when put in tier 4 imagine the negative press 'GUN RANGE FLOATS COVID RULES ' Around me there are two clay shoots open but they are really relying on peoples common sense if it all goes wrong responsibility fo own a shotgun could result in a problem for some . Lets hope everything goes smoothly and some kind of normality returns soon . Keep well everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home#sports-and-physical-activity To echo what Martin B said........ Sports and physical activity Indoor gyms and sports facilities will close. Outdoor sports courts, outdoor gyms, golf courses, outdoor swimming pools, archery/driving/shooting ranges, riding centres and playgrounds can remain open for individual exercise, and for people to use with others within your household, support bubble, or with one person from another household. Organised outdoor sport for under 18s and disabled people will be allowed. It does say "shooting ranges and individual exercise", so I'd say Bisley would be within the rules. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 There's an update: https://nra.org.uk/covid-19-update/ Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 The next question: Is it legal to drive to Bisley (tier 4) from any of the other tiers..............the word "should" is used in the guidelines, rather than "must". I really can't see any increased risk to myself or anyone else if I drive from a tier 2 to Bisley, shoot alone for a couple of hours, then drive back. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 47 minutes ago, Re-Pete said: I really can't see any increased risk to myself or anyone else if I drive from a tier 2 to Bisley, shoot alone for a couple of hours, then drive back. Question you need to ask yourself is, is it wise to dos so? I personally don't think it is 'wise', think of all the unexpected things that could happen that could bring you into contact with someone in a Tier 4 area who could unintentionally infect you with Covid-19 and that you then take that infection back home with you. Not the actions of a 'wise' man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 If I worried about all the unexpected things that could happen to me whenever I left the house, I'd never get out of bed...............it's all about doing your own "risk assessment" and taking sole responsibility when you get it wrong. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Re-Pete said: If I worried about all the unexpected things that could happen to me whenever I left the house, I'd never get out of bed...............it's all about doing your own "risk assessment" and taking sole responsibility when you get it wrong. Pete It’s not about what you are worried about, it’s whether it is wise or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triffid Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 I'll tell you something that's not f'ing wise. That's to announce at 4pm that Lockdown v3 starts the next morning . . . Triffid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, Re-Pete said: If I worried about all the unexpected things that could happen to me whenever I left the house, I'd never get out of bed...............it's all about doing your own "risk assessment" and taking sole responsibility when you get it wrong. Pete And therein lies the problem, if you get it wrong you can’t take sole responsibility as your going to be dependent on so many people . Some may call that selfish behaviour. plus you may very well unknowingly bring the lurgy back with you and infect your bubble . it’s just shooting .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Re-Pete Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 Triffid +1...........I don't have a bubble, and the argument that one shouldn't take any risks because they may have to rely on someone else if things go tits-up is frankly, risible............ Are you really suggesting that people shouldn't climb, dive, fly, bunjee jump, paraglide, ride horses, or even ride a bicycle, in case the unexpected happens and someone else has to take responsibility?? Get real....... Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted December 20, 2020 Report Share Posted December 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, Re-Pete said: Triffid +1...........I don't have a bubble, and the argument that one shouldn't take any risks because they may have to rely on someone else if things go tits-up is frankly, risible............ Are you really suggesting that people shouldn't climb, dive, fly, bunjee jump, paraglide, ride horses, or even ride a bicycle, in case the unexpected happens and someone else has to take responsibility?? Get real....... Pete And that sir is what makes us all different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Marker Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 I was surprised Bisley closed (as it was clear from gov.org.uk they could remain open). Now they are opening as they did after the first lockdown, on electronic targets only. That's me off work for the foreseeable then! Bisley put in an awful lot of Covid measures when they reopened after the first lockdown. I don't see why they are coming to nothing now. As for their customers travelling, thats not for the NRA to police. From a business perspective, it's probably that the business won't be there. It certainly won't be if they restrict shooters to hourly bookings on electronic targets. Merry Christmas everybody, 2021 isn't starting off too well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy W Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Bisley is in Tier 4, therefore those in Tiers 1,2,3 can't travel there. For Bisley to remain open in the hope that lots of shooters will break the law to go shooting would be reckless to say the least. Most of their staff were already on furlough, their re-opening business model is probably based on the numbers of staff available to manage things. It's never been run as a business, per-se, you only have to see the way that range bookings are batted off at the drop of a hat to realise that. We've sat waiting 10 days for a single lane to be confirmed recently, on the premis that a larger booking may come along which would take precedent. We cancelled in the end, so there was no booking at all. Like everyone they will have ticked over using the Govt money, will probably slim things down next year or remodel the way they work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Marker Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 I think you will find it's not just small bookings that are messed around with. They cancelled three targets recently sighting lack of markers. As for most of the staff being on furlough, some have just been made redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy W Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 You are correct. Our online booking for last Thursday was cancelled, citing no marker available. we rebooked without a marker and self marked, and the booking was confirmed. The range office does lack proactivity, helpfulness, desire to fill the ranges. You are almost left feeling like you are being a pain trying to book to shoot sometimes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Marker Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Once again interesting. I was availble thurs PM, on century AM private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy W Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 We were AM only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Marker Posted December 21, 2020 Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Fair enough then. PM sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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