Farmer rick Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 It’s really strange, it is significantly different that your readings - nearly 100fps! I was shooting are near 0deg temp. So wonder if that’s having a effect. When I spoke with eley they also said it could be barrel length as all tests are completed in 26” barrels and mines a 20” - I do find it strange, who has a 26” rifle for vermin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Answer to no i deer only got some cci subs but haven’t tried them yet . I’ll pull one this afternoon and weigh it . one on top of two great set of results and thanks for the pictures. My anschutz prefers the rws subs but they are hard to find , Winchester subs usually give a tight group but tend to have a vertical spread from the 16” barrel . I’ve stuck with eley as they’re easy to get and they do mushroom very well . below photos of weight of CCI subs claimed to be 40 grains and 1050 FPS. Mushroom effect of eley subs now weighing 36.34 grains from 37.1 so called 40 grainers . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 I can go and weigh some RWS subs , I have 1300 of them , will pic 3 and put them on my A+D give me 10 mins rick , agreed mate does seem very odd , I don’t think the speeds we’re talking would be affected much @ zero degrees maybe account for 10-15 FPS .. who’s knows . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Just for info CCI subs use 1.04 grains of powder . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Seems like its more of trial and error testing until you find the ammo it likes. I may try the barrel deresonator now I've got some better accuracy and see if I can improve it after ive retested in warmer calmer conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 There was a big ammo test a few years back in sporting rifle and on YouTube s shooting show tv by one of the pace brothers. Group size and expansion were tested & eley came tops . Just measured depth of the hollow point , eley 6mm and 11.9 mm long cci 4.5 mm and 12.78 mm long so eley are short with a big hole up the middle hence they are lighter????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Right sorry for the delay , the misus walked in with 2 fried egg rolls that where in need of humane dispatch. right 3 RWS subs ( out of same box ) didn’t really see the point of taking more random as although I have 3 bricks there all the same batch number . i weighed bullet powder case ... not exact science but give a rough estimate of primer paste . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Impressive considering we’re talking a Field line sub sonic ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Great photos, think it’s time to retry the rws a true 40 grainer . Hope you enjoyed the sarnies , top marks to wifey . Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Richiew said: Great photos, think it’s time to retry the rws a true 40 grainer . Hope you enjoyed the sarnies , top marks to wifey . Cheers I have to admit they were spectacular 👍 I like the RWS , my rifle loves them . like many others I was 100 % Eley subs ( 40 grain) wouldn’t even bother look8ng at anything else , they were the business in every rimmy I ever owned . And then then Eley go and bugger it up . I also you the RWS R 100 for close range foxes in my horse paddocks . which is why I opted for the wildcat Panther mod on my anni ( .22 hornet rated ) which quietens them down to a very reasonable level and being a 100 m biathlon round they are very accurate, just a shame there around the £24 /100 but one box does me for the year . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Rechecked the Annie barrel only 14” and use the ASE UTRA steel mod . The rws according to reviews are about 970 FPS so slower than others and have a bit stickier wax on them from looking back in my notebook. Used to get bored at the range shooting small holes in the target so started shooting out the scoring numbers . Last set of rws was from gilsans at Richmond North Yorkshire. Think a trip is in order when allowed . Great thread lots of information. Thanks to all for some good work and photos . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 I’m getting around 987 FPS avg from 18” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Nice one , I’ll pop it into StrelokPro and check the drops/mils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiew Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 From 1050 down to 987 FPS I’ll lose 4 metres at two mils in the scope ie two mils was 96metres and now it’s 92m , no big deal . Zeroed at 23/45 near and far pb. Need to get the magneto out again when allowed to play . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Been out again.. Not as cold but wet and still blowy. I didn't wanna lay down long to soak the wet so had a quick go with RWS match and I shot this.. I made a 1 click adjustments from yesterday's testing as the groups were just a tad right. It was worth getting damp for 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowji john Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 I get approx 1.5 MOA from my old cz 452 - off bench That is consistent out to 150m Am about to order a Vudoo v22 - 22" barrel with a MDT Chassis This is to be a trainer on a PRL type course I have set up on my farm using 2" and 3" targets out to 200m (which is all I can stretch to) I hope to play in the PRL next (or this year) using a 6.5 creed that I'm hoping the MDT chassis will fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, No i deer said: Been out again.. Not as cold but wet and still blowy. I didn't wanna lay down long to soak the wet so had a quick go with RWS match and I shot this.. I made a 1 click adjustments from yesterday's testing as the groups were just a tad right. It was worth getting damp for 😁 50 m ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 50yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, bowji john said: I get approx 1.5 MOA from my old cz 452 - off bench That is consistent out to 150m Am about to order a Vudoo v22 - 22" barrel with a MDT Chassis This is to be a trainer on a PRL type course I have set up on my farm using 2" and 3" targets out to 200m (which is all I can stretch to) I hope to play in the PRL next (or this year) using a 6.5 creed that I'm hoping the MDT chassis will fit What ammo ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Just now, No i deer said: 50yds Nice 👍 does shoot well with the right diet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bowji john Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, One on top of two said: What ammo ? For the CZ 452 I use 40 grain win and Geco 40 grain semi-auto It seem to like both Having now invested in a kestral and 'applied ballistics' I will now check MV(and ES) for both and concern myself with trans 'speed of sound' issues All good fun - learning all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, bowji john said: For the CZ 452 I use 40 grain win and Geco 40 grain semi-auto It seem to like both Having now invested in a kestral and 'applied ballistics' I will now check MV(and ES) for both and concern myself with trans 'speed of sound' issues All good fun - learning all the time Good luck 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowji john Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 Ta I get through about 1000 rds per week at the mo Mostly to develop unsupported shooting skills at 100m I hesitate to work out what cost that might translate as when moving to match qual for the Vudoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted February 14, 2021 Report Share Posted February 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, bowji john said: For the CZ 452 I use 40 grain win and Geco 40 grain semi-auto It seem to like both Having now invested in a kestral and 'applied ballistics' I will now check MV(and ES) for both and concern myself with trans 'speed of sound' issues All good fun - learning all the time I use a kestrel elite but sometimes transfer/ link it on to my foretrex applied ballistics , I do like playing rimfire on a sunny afternoon 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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