foxpig Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Hey all . My mate has just bought a savage 204 . He's fired 25 shots to break barrel in. He showed me the empties . Doesn't look good to me. Any ideas what's doing this. Or weather he should be shooting it at all. He says the bolt lift is fine. And I couldn't see any pressure on case head or primer. The ammo is factory 40gr vmax hornday superformance. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srvet Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Got to be chamber related, what are the diameters of the steps in the neck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Definitely a dorked chamber. Send the rifle back.~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mik Mak Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Def the chamber, , I would return the rifle and ask for it to be changed Mik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasherman Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 How did that get through proof? Maybe our CIP proofhouses should go to Specsavers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grum87 Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Never mind proof.....how did it leave a factory/a gunsmiths bench....scarey stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave thorniley Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 yes def a chamber problem don't shoot it scarey get it sent straight back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Suggest the rifle is chambered in another 20 cal cartridge...... Scary, death at your shoulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mik Mak Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 It should never have reached the customer!! looks like 3 different neck sizes looking carefully at the picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Jesus! I had heard Savage were crap, but that is just shockingly bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWShooter Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Could someone have messed with the barrel nut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snc_2010 Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 How did that get through proof? Maybe our CIP proofhouses should go to Specsavers. Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeman Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 How did that get through proof? Maybe our CIP proofhouses should go to Specsavers. Would the proof house even be concerned with that anyway? As long as the rifle remains in one piece and the bolt can be opened, even with a big hammer, isn't that the only point, ie pass/fail, rather than worrying about any idiosyncrasies with the chamber? Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCetrizine Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 From the CIP proofing procedure... "Prior to firing cartridges in the firearm to be proofed, it is checked for its essential mechanical dimensions such as, all measures and tolerances in the chamber are verified." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter686 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 That is scary! Luckily the balls up in caliber difference wasn't too severe like trying to throw a .338 down a 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wozar Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Does it still put the markes on the case if you don't fire it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeman Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 From the CIP proofing procedure... "Prior to firing cartridges in the firearm to be proofed, it is checked for its essential mechanical dimensions such as, all measures and tolerances in the chamber are verified." So what method do they use to determine those dimensions, dummy rounds with specific neck and overall length measurements or some other means. I know they were marking tight neck .308 chambers as non standard or with the actual neck diameter but wasn't sure how they determine those dimensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxpig Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 All sorted now. Rifle returned . T3 on order ( as I advised from beggining) It was pretty obvious but thanks for your replys Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCetrizine Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 So what method do they use to determine those dimensions, dummy rounds with specific neck and overall length measurements or some other means. I know they were marking tight neck .308 chambers as non standard or with the actual neck diameter but wasn't sure how they determine those dimensions. I don't know for sure but I'd guess at a mix of go/no-go gauges and vernier callipers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin52 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 All sorted now. Rifle returned . Was there any explanation/comment/apology from the supplier ? Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxpig Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Not that I know of . But he didn't argue with my mate, it was sent back as he showed the dealer the cases. Normally the rfd chap he bought it from is a nightmare to get to sort anything but the evidence was clear as day. That's 2 savages my mates had and 2 major problems in both. One was a 17hmr and now this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grum87 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Only Savage I see on a regular basis hasn't made it through a full days shooting at the range since the owner's had it. Not sure if it's the owner or the rifle, but nothing about it inspires confidence - not sure why the yanks are so in love with them. The patriotic 'must buy American stuff' bug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 In defense of Savage, they (6BR & 6.5-284) perform unbelievably well in 100, 600 and 1000 yard benchrest. We've had half MOA 5-shot groups at 600 & 1000 yds with these rifles. The 308 FTR is also a great performer. Out of the box, they are capable of holding their own in the FTR class. Looking at the pics, I would say that there is obviously a significant difference between the actual chamber and what it says on the barrel - assuming the correct ammunition was used. Bit amazed that the Proof House didn't spot it...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCetrizine Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Was this a brand new rifle? It almost looks as though someone did some DIY gunsmithing, botched it and passed it on to an unsuspecting RFD for resale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grum87 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 In defense of Savage, they (6BR & 6.5-284) perform unbelievably well in 100, 600 and 1000 yard benchrest. We've had half MOA 5-shot groups at 600 & 1000 yds with these rifles. The 308 FTR is also a great performer. Out of the box, they are capable of holding their own in the FTR class. Looking at the pics, I would say that there is obviously a significant difference between the actual chamber and what it says on the barrel - assuming the correct ammunition was used. Bit amazed that the Proof House didn't spot it...... I guess as with any mass produced rifle there are going to be good ones and the odd lemon. I guess as above, a bit of DIY 'tinkering' could be to blame if it's not a brand spanking new rifle - this is the danger of platforms that can be modified/chopped and changed with relative ease by the end user. Scary stuff one way or another, and I'm not sure I'd of fired a second round after seeing brass like that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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