Grum87

I think we can agree she is better looking than you...... But looks ain't everything right?

Yes please! Registered my interest. Look forward to bigger cals too.

Holy grail! Although without a doubt the new 3-12's and 5-25's are better optics. Lovely!!

I guess no one at AI has ever experience Sportsman's customer (lack of) service then?

Anyone?

Maybe he's just busy tracking the moose he hit from a mile away?

The only person talking about taking game at a mile was the OP, and being a muuuuurican, it's a thing over there.... While I'll happily engage Fig11's with mine when it's built, I wouldn't dare try take deer at anything beyond what I'd do with my 260, being honest.

That's where bullet choice comes in.... A traditional lead softpoint with a thicker jacket, possibly a harder lead alloy in the core, which expands less rapidly, will do much less damage. I've shot many a critter with my .260 with bullets like the 95gr Vmax, or 130 TMK, and they are absolutely devastating. I've also hit corvids with a 308, with 175 Matchking, and you'd never even know they'd been shot.....I struggled to find either entry or exit on some examples. Obviously you wouldn't shoot deer with anything other than expanding ammo, but some bullets expand more rapidly than others.

Is anyone getting a machine made that'd be willing to include an extra disc in their package from Lubo for me and forward it on? Costs covered, naturally..... Please drop me a PM if so....

Is anyone getting a machine made that'd be willing to include an extra disc in their package from Lubo for me and forward it on? Costs covered, naturally..... Please drop me a PM if so....

Great post Cumbrian, and a point I was trying to get across, but perhaps not very well. A bullet that fails to stop in it's target is only dumping a fraction of the energy it's carrying. The majority of the bullets energy is dumped into the backstop. I'd guess, assuming a similar bullet construction(ie, a traditional softpoint), there is only a finite amount of energy a carcass will absorb, before the bullet exits. I'd be very, very surprised if the energy absorbed is that much greater when hit with a 338 over a 308 - assuming it exits which in both cases they almost certainly will. Infact, I'd bet it's possible that a smaller calibre, or lighter bullet that is more likely to stop, could impart more energy on the target, than a big heavy round that zip's on through..... However, change bullet construction, to say a ballstic tip, and it'd be entirely different.

My rifles are conditioned for quarry, no mention of where I can shoot them, just anywhere with permission.

My neighbours would, not planning on a mod for now, even if I do have a slot for it. Suspect they'd hear it

I know plenty of people with the same, if you ask for *one* of your guns to shoot over land with, the whole let get opened up for use on land....mad. I too have .22lr conditioned for fox and deer.....that made me giggle. I had the centrefires conditioned for Deer/fox/aolq and they just dumped the .22 into the same conditions when I asked for it.

No one other than the OP has even suggested taking long range shots on live quarry.......