Foxshooter Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I have just sold my little HM2 as it wasnt getting enough use. I have to tell plod in the next couple of days and it seems a shame to waste the slot. I might as well put in for a one for one variation. I cant decide on a calibre. I have enough regular firearms to cover the bases, .22LR, .17HMR, .223Rem, .243AI, 2x .308Win and .300Winmag so thought of getting something 'different' I dont know if I'd get much use out of a .38/.357 9mm calibre carbine so I think I need a 'rifle'. My mate showed me a 300 AAC Blackout which tickled my fancy especially with the subsonic option but even with lighter bullets its going to struggle to reach 600. I thought about a .30BR which uses a small quantity of powder like the Blackout and certainly has a fantastic pedigree but the case prep seems a bit beyond me. I dont mind reloading or expanding but I'm not sure about the neck turning requirements. I know some of you guys out there shoot a few weird and wonderful toys and wondered if you could offer any inspiration. Basic requirements are; suitable for range use, cheap to run, not require an engineering degree to reload for and not be OTT. Much as I'd like a Barrett .416 or .50 its not going to happen! Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danpd Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 6.5x47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967spud Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 6mm super lr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxshooter Posted May 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 6.5x47 isnt that just another 'vanilla' calibre? and the super LR looks too similar to the .243AI I think I want something with a smaller case. I like the idea of a .30BR over a 6PPC or am I being overly fussy MArk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gun nut Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 What about going "classic" with an old .303 Enfield or a 30.06 Springfield or even a 7.92 Mauser K98? You already have all the modern rifles you need by the looks of it. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I have just sold my little HM2 as it wasnt getting enough use. I have to tell plod in the next couple of days and it seems a shame to waste the slot. I might as well put in for a one for one variation. I cant decide on a calibre. I have enough regular firearms to cover the bases, .22LR, .17HMR, .223Rem, .243AI, 2x .308Win and .300Winmag so thought of getting something 'different' I dont know if I'd get much use out of a .38/.357 9mm calibre carbine so I think I need a 'rifle'. My mate showed me a 300 AAC Blackout which tickled my fancy especially with the subsonic option but even with lighter bullets its going to struggle to reach 600. I thought about a .30BR which uses a small quantity of powder like the Blackout and certainly has a fantastic pedigree but the case prep seems a bit beyond me. I dont mind reloading or expanding but I'm not sure about the neck turning requirements. I know some of you guys out there shoot a few weird and wonderful toys and wondered if you could offer any inspiration. Basic requirements are; suitable for range use, cheap to run, not require an engineering degree to reload for and not be OTT. Much as I'd like a Barrett .416 or .50 its not going to happen! Mark Mark, One option you might consider is an out and out accuracy cartridge-which effectively means a PPc or one of the BR family. All these are in the 30 plus or minus a couple of grains of powder bracket,not very difficult to load for,and very well established. You mention the 30BR -excelllent out to about 600,and I like to shoot it,but the 6BR is more flexible,and with appropriate twists,isa very creditable 1000y on a good day at the club option,and anyhow great to 600 in almost any form.A 6ppc will struggle to keep up at 600,but generally delivers accuracy nothing else can quite touch at shorter ranges.All. These are a real pleasure to shoot with gentle recoil,and great performance.......6BR will do it best,even got lapua brass (lapua 6 BR norma-the norma is just a longer chamber ne but best option if you want longer bullets,for ranges beyond say 600-the brass is pretty much the same as rem6br brass.) Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 6.5x47 isnt that just another 'vanilla' calibre? and the super LR looks too similar to the .243AI I think I want something with a smaller case. I like the idea of a .30BR over a 6PPC or am I being overly fussy MArk 6BR is the perfect blend of the virtues of both 30 br and 6ppc Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 6mmBR - or Dasher - if you've too much time on your hands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat69 Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I so agree with everyone 6mmbr, 6.5x47 lap and Sheane.284. Those 3 would be my choice for my next rifle in the future for sure. Good luck in your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxshooter Posted May 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I'll have a look at the 6BR perhaps. Isnt the Dasher known for having a really short barrel life? I'm guessing the 6BR uses the .243/.308 boltface as a donor action? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I'll have a look at the 6BR perhaps. Isnt the Dasher known for having a really short barrel life? I'm guessing the 6BR uses the .243/.308 boltface as a donor action? Mark[/quot Mark Yes it does-the BR family are actually a shortened 308 case-the immediate wildcat for the 30BR was the 308x1 1/2 Barnes. The lapua 6BR brass shoots right from the box.See all you need on Accurate Shooter site. Donors are therefore plentiful,and Savage do two 6BRs and Cooper do a 6BR. Barrel life is excellent. Dasher a little harder on barrels as it burns a little more powder- a sort of 6BR AI. The 6BR is very popular in Europe for 300m CISM shooting,replacing the 308w,and there are some pretty classy european rifles in 6BR developed for the competition. One in twelve is good for lighter bench rest bullets of 68 up to 80+ ,with really good accuracy,and one in nine handling the 105 class for long range 1000 y Gbal Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Rem Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 22ppc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I have just sold my little HM2 as it wasnt getting enough use. I have to tell plod in the next couple of days and it seems a shame to waste the slot. I might as well put in for a one for one variation. I cant decide on a calibre. I have enough regular firearms to cover the bases, .22LR, .17HMR, .223Rem, .243AI, 2x .308Win and .300Winmag so thought of getting something 'different' I dont know if I'd get much use out of a .38/.357 9mm calibre carbine so I think I need a 'rifle'. My mate showed me a 300 AAC Blackout which tickled my fancy especially with the subsonic option but even with lighter bullets its going to struggle to reach 600. I thought about a .30BR which uses a small quantity of powder like the Blackout and certainly has a fantastic pedigree but the case prep seems a bit beyond me. I dont mind reloading or expanding but I'm not sure about the neck turning requirements. I know some of you guys out there shoot a few weird and wonderful toys and wondered if you could offer any inspiration. Basic requirements are; suitable for range use, cheap to run, not require an engineering degree to reload for and not be OTT. Much as I'd like a Barrett .416 or .50 its not going to happen! Mark You know if your into punching paper I can only think of a more barrel friendly 6mm ! A BR perhaps? Or chuck away the HMR coz they are pants and get a real small, light duty centre fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxshooter Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Thanks for all the input gents. Variation submitted today for a 6BR Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Thanks for all the input gents. Variation submitted today for a 6BR Mark Good choice you wont look back,,,,,,what I will add though is if your gonna have one built and likely to load close to lands then consider very carefully what weight head you are likely to want to shoot and read up on suitable throating for those bullets,,,if you go 1 in 8 and are favouring the heavies then its likely a smithy will recommend a .104 freebore or longer perhaps?,,,,this will be ok until you want to try some light one,s and be left with little in the case especially as things wear. Consider a .80 freebore for a compromise perhaps?.For my next build I,ve got a .60 freebore reamer coming and that should do all quite nicely keeping most 105,s ahead of the shoulder and plenty in the case with lighter one,s too. These are my thoughts ,appreciate others may not entirely agree but 6BR is my favourite cal and I have just about tried every head in various throated chambers and hoping the. 60 freebore will be the ultimate compromise. have a good read on the internet,,,look up "6BR suitable throating" etc etc Let us know how you get on,,,,,,Regds Onehole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mo3 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 DTA 338 lap mag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentsoulsleave308holes Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 grendel, love mine big time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 I have just sold my little HM2 as it wasnt getting enough use. I have to tell plod in the next couple of days and it seems a shame to waste the slot. I might as well put in for a one for one variation. I cant decide on a calibre. I have enough regular firearms to cover the bases, .22LR, .17HMR, .223Rem, .243AI, 2x .308Win and .300Winmag so thought of getting something 'different' I dont know if I'd get much use out of a .38/.357 9mm calibre carbine so I think I need a 'rifle'. My mate showed me a 300 AAC Blackout which tickled my fancy especially with the subsonic option but even with lighter bullets its going to struggle to reach 600. I thought about a .30BR which uses a small quantity of powder like the Blackout and certainly has a fantastic pedigree but the case prep seems a bit beyond me. I dont mind reloading or expanding but I'm not sure about the neck turning requirements. I know some of you guys out there shoot a few weird and wonderful toys and wondered if you could offer any inspiration. Basic requirements are; suitable for range use, cheap to run, not require an engineering degree to reload for and not be OTT. Much as I'd like a Barrett .416 or .50 its not going to happen! Mark then the choice is obvious ! .408 cheytac intervention . balistics to dream of , similar to 416 barrett . aftab at reloading soloutions tried to get .408 dies from US for him and a couple of others , guess what , they said no ! real shame ... sorry i couldn't help ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 grendel, love mine big time Hi Slilent,,,,,,yeah sweet round that,, would be on my short list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 then the choice is obvious ! .408 cheytac intervention . balistics to dream of , similar to 416 barrett . aftab at reloading soloutions tried to get .408 dies from US for him and a couple of others , guess what , they said no ! real shame ... sorry i couldn't help ... obvious indeed- see the 'cheap to run' and 'not OTT" specifications.(and dismissal of 416B...:-) Gbal PS don't shoot it tongue in cheek,you might bite off more than you can chew! :-) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tackb Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 45/70-45/120 (or anywhere in between) bpcr , you will be amazed how much fun you have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Second on the 45-70 or up to a 45-100. Just something 'right' about them. Accurate, fun, they might only be travelling the speed of a bus - but they have the same knock down as one T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tackb Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Second on the 45-70 or up to a 45-100. Just something 'right' about them. Accurate, fun, they might only be travelling the speed of a bus - but they have the same knock down as one T And what's wrong with my 45/120 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserttech Europe Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I know a guy selling an authentic sharps quigley, if that's of any interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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