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I'm not quite sure what you're showing us?? How does the top target picture relate to the image below ?

well said Roy, I also agree with Martin_B too - we had a demonstration of the same 'problem' on Stix the other week, a group next to us insisting their target markers were not marking correctly. It was blowing 12 gusting 18 full wind, we let them shoot a couple on our lane - guess what? They missed completely. Funny that considering our shooters were on target and getting marked every time.

far too many Micromanaging ? Please do explain

I use a S&B PM11 at 25x FFP for shooting extreme long range (over 1500yds) so I can see a miss splash and therefore make a wind adjustment. Also it's much easier to get back on target after recoil to observe a hit (or miss). The target at those distances are around 1 moa (18" at 1 mile) so quite easy to see and aim at with moderate magnification. Optical clarity and a good reticle is also needed. Of course a mate spotting helps tremendously but I like to see my own hits. Also haze and mirage can be a bugger with more magnification. If I shoot my 6.5 or .308 at 1000yds I usually exploit higher magnification (x50 Nightforce and Delta). Horses for courses

I was shooting on Century on 29th, no problems with the hotrods going to and fro behind. No electronics working on there or on Stix in the afternoon but the butts lads were doing a Stirling job. Personally I think the Hot Rod Hayride is a great weekend, no trouble and plenty of interest.

Glad it worked out for you. Just an observation, although Vortex do have great customer service, there's an awful lot of examples of people needing to fall back on it. Make them cheap and fix the ones that fail ?? I had a new PST Viper FFP and the tracking was rubbish - basic click value (1/4 moa) was out and backlash in the mechanism was also poor. Shooting a box target test was very poor indeed. To contrast my Delta Stryker is cock-on mechanically and a similar price point. I just hope it doesn't fail ! 😂

I have a question for those that know please (RFD) regarding marking firearms when changing barrels (either switch barrel or replacement): Guide to Firearms Licensing 2022: 27.12 Firearms, including any relevant (essential) component parts (whether part of a firearm or not), imported into the UK must have markings which are clear, permanent and visible. Firearms and relevant component parts (barrel, frame, receiver (including upper and lower receivers), slide, cylinder, bolt or breech block manufactured on or after 1 January 1900 must be marked with: • Name of manufacturer or brand; • Country or place of manufacture; • Serial number; • Year of manufacture (if not part of the serial number); and • Model, where feasible. How do the Police manage serial number recording when a receiver and barrels could have different numbers ?

Not legal to sell in UK or EU. Nothing to do with climate change. It's REACH regs and some US powder companies didn't consider compliance to me worth their effort: https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/about.htm There's better alternatives to Varget that are available (well, apart from the current supply problems due to Vlad the Mad)

The "informed" view for bolt actions is full length size but to a lesser extent than going back to SAAMI/CIP dimensions. Knocking back the fire formed shoulder by .002" seems to be preferred by some (and me). The theory is that by sizing as described, the cases will all be exactly the same as opposed to fire-formed where small differences could be present and therefore small volume and, subsequently, pressure variations. I think for me, switching from fire-formed/neck sizing to knocking back 2' and neck sizing with a bushing die (no button) has given me a step improvement in grouping.

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I guess you didn't catch my irony... 😏

Allowed to carry ? 🤔 🙄

Our club has just been offered butts markers for 29th on Stix at no additional cost due to electronics failures requiring parts on back-order

as you say, probably the back light is buggered. Probably LED, either that or the driver circuit's packed up. Probably an easy fix for a tech.

From your comment you appear to be an American. You're at crossed purposes here - no one is allowed any form of weapon let alone a firearm for personal defence in UK - and thank goodness that's the case. We have firearms licensing in the UK that requires applicants to have various 'good reasons' to own a firearm, part of the justification is that the holder uses the firearm and it's not just held "because I want one" (apart from bona-fide collectors). Target shooters should be active in the sport of target shooting if they are to retain their guns

mmmmm, gun porn 😉😁 To me the only value in rich folk buying ridiculously expensive rifles (or anything else) is it employs crafts people - and to me they're the one's deserving of respect. Certainly not the buyers - I bet you agree

As above plus you should exchange hazards and risk information with the commercial owners/agents. For example they need to tell you their hazards that you may be exposed to - in writing.

Unfortunately the Hornady manual doesn't appear on their website for free! Bit of a bummer really

There's another HO consultation worth reading through and maybe responding. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/firearms-licensing-recommendations-for-changes/firearms-licensing-a-consultation-on-recommendations-for-changes-made-to-the-home-office-accessible?fbclid=IwAR0vtzkTj0zUAlG6aksg0LcjQFHyHi9n9RFBvE_rUYFYexCpwzVOql2znlA

Initial thoughts: Why only check ± 4moa range? I would have optically centred, bore-sighted and then check out the full range of elevation ±27.5 moa. Then from a bore sighted zero find out what my shot zero is to confirm the 'starting position' for elevation - ie identify how much up elevation adjustment you have given 20moa rail. If all looks good then shoot again at 300/600

The interweb is the Wild West; I run our club website and our automated filters block literally thousands of attacks weekly emanating from Bots in USA, China, Russia, Turkey in the main but of course that's easily disguised IP routing

I have a 20 MOA rail on my .308, zero'ed at 100yds and no problems shooting jugs out to any distance. The GE scope has 55 MOA elevation and you need about 5 MOA come-up from 100yds to 300yds. A come-up of 10MOA from 300yds to 600yds is about right for a 185 Jug. Did you bore-sight the scope? If you set the scope at optical zero you have ±27.5 MOA adjustment but with a 20 MOA rail you should be 7.5 MOA up from the very bottom of the scope range so if you zero at 300yds you should be well in the adjustment range. Sounds like a faulty scope or a loose turret ?

Selling for a friend is not allowed by the forum rules

Not if they're insured through NRA or NSRA. There are FAC rules pertaining to youngsters but they are not a problem for clubs using club equipment.

I'm not sure clubs are anti-youngsters; We want youngsters at our club and do have some, problem is keeping their interest when they're teenagers. We used to run a youth section and it was well attended but not one graduated to the adult section. It was before my time so I don't fully know why but it wasn't because of any resistance from the adults. Joining a club that's full of +50yr old "grandads" isn't very appealing I guess. We strive to attract younger members (our club is free to under 16s and 50% concession for over 16s but in education), the truth is that the younger generations have been brought up with, if not fear of, certainly negative feelings towards shooting.