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It does make sense to me as a large percentage of clubs do not use military ranges or officiate at Bisley. The RSO course is much more 'approachable' than the RCO training and probably quite a relief to some candidates. The RCO course is a "bolt on" to the RSO and it does make more sense when seen in the round. Roy W has hit the nail on the head above - it's not an unreasonable cost.

I was quoting NRA member rates. £48 RSO + £5 RCO Not sure what the problem is? I don't think it's extortionate at all. Laminated badge is an option not a requirement

The RCO on-line renewal was £46 (RCO renewed at our club last October). It would appear the new fees are £53 so that's plus £7 if I understand the new structure.

Staffs have also been pretty good - but recently v. slow. They have introduced a new process and time will tell. Bitching is easy; actual constructive engagement takes effort 🤔

Funny you say that.. It's sort of what I suggested in my feedback along with proper engagement with clubs and standardised processes.

This may be of interest especially to RFD and Club officers. https://www.college.police.uk/article/firearms-licensing-guidance-have-your-say?fbclid=IwAR1Pv3xBkBtRUfcVJNiBI8zgtQFHP9kEBevxWbbyiidCVPnrQ-yd25wJCoY

I use a tiny amount of jewellers rouge powder, it brings the brass up very nicely. I mean tiny too - quarter of a teaspoon max in a full Lyman tumbler. It will naturally distribute around the walnut media and turn it a red shade. If you don't know, jewellers rouge is super-fine ground iron oxide (rust) used for polishing precious metals and glass Most important though: clean the necks inside prior to loading - I use a wet cotton bud. Personally I can't see any reason to use wax and would think it detrimental

Bullet derived from French boulle meaning a small ball Heads, something to take a dump in at sea

I can't see NRA enforcing a rule that only their hand-loading training would be acceptable anymore than they limit SCC certification to those receiving direct NRA training. Clubs train and endorse an application for SCC in particular categories, and the NRA issue cards on that premise. Why should reloading be any different ? What it does mean is club committees having to make a judgement as to whether their members are competent hand-loaders and possibly to offer training - and that's a potential minefield of having credentials to train others. The problem I see is that poor skills with a firearm can be evident to supervising range officers, training coaches etc. and that can be felt with. That's not the case with hand-loaded ammo, it's potentially a hidden hazard only evident in failure - hopefully not catastrophic failure. I understand that 2024 is the date for implementation so I expect NRA policy before then.

Lovely job indeed for a fine watch. Your son should be proud to have it. I wear my Rolex Explorer ii every day and serviced in Marple by Precision Watch Services (twice in 20yrs). Both times came back 'like new'. A good price too, £500 including a replacement winding mechanism (worn out).

BS abounds no doubt. Having annealed and not annealed I think I'll stick with doing it after four reloads, especially with .338 brass that costs ££££, not lost a case to cracks yet and the occasional 1 moa group at 1 mile does me fine. I also enjoy the reloading process almost as much as shooting

True, but training should reduce the likelihood. I've come across a few woefully ignorant chaps who don't understand the basics, just muddle through until they make the (hopefully not) fatal error.

I don't get your point ? What's "time served" in a club to do with it ?

I'm not personally adverse to the idea of accredited training so I'm looking forward to NRA advice on exactly how clubs are to achieve this..

is that big pins or small pins ? We need to know

Fully agree. You either have a good reason or you don't. Just think through why for yourself and be prepared to stand behind it when challenged.

How do you deal with the transfer between FAC and SGC ?

when was the last increase? Without that information it's difficult to assess given the rate of inflation.

I believe it can be done, it's more than just crimping the tube and it will need to be re-proofed.

So I wonder whether those PC old service rifles performed ok vertically but sprayed the rounds left and right, but this was put down to windage variation? 😉 My observation is that PC may be useful for ammunition that can't be tuned to the gun such as rimfire or where factory ammunition is mandated. Furthermore it may just tweak group size down on a CF rifle with otherwise optimised ammunition. I noticed that the heavy gun benchrest record didn't employ a tuner however I feel it's possible that the load used was optimised to the distance (1000yds) so thereby not benefitting from a barrel tuner (given environmental conditions being optimal). Air temperature variation will alter POI so any PC optimised load must take that into account to be worth considering, I guess that's where a tuner could be useful as running adjustments can be made as the day warms/cools. Another observation is that "perfect loads" should all end up in the same place at any distance provided barrel vibrations are at a null when the bullet exits the muzzle. The closer to perfect the better and PC is not a panacea to sub-optimal round manufacture and development. I will continue to develop loads at 100 and 200yds and accept that on a given day at 1000yds I may have a slightly less than optimum load. The one exception I'd like to try is for my .338 but getting onto a range and having time to shoot variable loads at say 600yds is not easy. Shooting my 200yd developed loads out to +1600yds seems to give good results so I'll just have to accept limitations.

All interesting but what about horizontal vibration effects ? Any observed ?

Further to our earlier discussions on positive compensation (PC), rather than hijack that post I've started a new discussion. I've a question that I can't get my head around. I can’t see why a barrel clamped conventionally in a stock (ie the action bolted and bedded) would only vibrate vertically? Just to be clear PC is not about muzzle flip due to rotation caused by off-axis forces, it's vibrational movements in the barrel. I understand the principle of positive compensation in that launch angle and muzzle velocity are ‘tuned’ to match the vertical dispersal due to MV, with launch angle thereby achieving a tight mean point of impact at the tuned distance. But what about barrel vibration in the horizontal plane? Why do we not see horizontal stringing of the point of impact? I read G. Kolbe's excellent paper "The Vibrations of a Barrel Tuned for Positive Compensation" and appreciate the principles of PC. But what about vibration of the barrel in the horizontal plane? Why do we not seem to see launch angle variation horizontally ? Obviously MV is somewhat irrelevant to the horizontal but if the barrel's vibrating then a horizontal and vertical component is present and therefore an uncompensated (by MV variation) horizontal spread should be seen. Taking Kolbe's measured test set-up he has a barrel varying its launch angle by 0.8MOA (1010fps at 9.3MOA and 1060fps at 8.5MOA) for a 50yd .22 shot. If we had a horizontal vibration of similar magnitudes then we should see 0.4" horizontal at 50yds but that is not apparent so either barrels don't vibrate horizontally or I'm not seeing something. Thoughts?

I agree

https://bergerbullets.com/new-1000-yard-world-record-set-with-berger-bullets/ Bit bigger than 1" I think we can agree. That said the skill of that chap is fantastic. No barrel tuner used (from my quick Googling). In my opinion for long range outdoor shooting (what I do) where ammo can be developed for my rifle I see little to be gained from a barrel tuner. I could be convinced otherwise but as Big Al suggests it's not a practical proposition on a normal gallery range in UK conditions.

OK, I was just rather clumsily making a point re "irrelevant" when I think you mean a wider tolerance of velocity can be managed using PC. I understand the principle and am convinced it's a real thing, but I'd think you would also agree that achieving a tighter tolerance of velocity can only help ?