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#1 Xtrema

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 08:32 AM

Heads up.

The government are launching a new consultation. Part of which is to move 50 cal and "certain rapid firing rifles" to section 5.

https://www.gov.uk/g...fensive-weapons



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:38 AM

brilliant , I'm sure it will be well thought out and fair :angry:



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:40 AM

It's a public consultation. I'm sure BASC and hopefully the NRA will present actual evidence of there being no need to further restrict anything in this country.
Won't hurt to write to your MP and shooting organisation now though.

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 10:08 AM

Duh-ble post.

 

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 10:09 AM

I'm sure BASC and hopefully the NRA will present actual evidence of there being no need to further restrict anything in this country.

 

Which will be ignored. As usual.

 

Grab your ankles...

 

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 10:25 AM

It's a public consultation. I'm sure BASC and hopefully the NRA will present actual evidence of there being no need to further restrict anything in this country.
Won't hurt to write to your MP and shooting organisation now though.

You would like to think these two organisations would oppose it but don't hold your breath.

I lost my 2 semi auto rifles in the 80's and my pistols in the 90's and they did nothing, particularly the NRA who appeared to support it at the time.

As a member of both organisations, i shall be writing to both today.



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 12:12 PM

This consultation sounds very similar to one from about 5 years ago, which through effective lobbying and a large count of responses to the consultation (from me included) came to nothing. Lets make sure that happens again.



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 12:22 PM

This consultation sounds very similar to one from about 5 years ago, which through effective lobbying and a large count of responses to the consultation (from me included) came to nothing. Lets make sure that happens again.

 

I think last time round it would have effectively banned the .577 Snider as well, I dare say the new consultation document will take muzzle energy into consideration as well.


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 12:55 PM

 

I think last time round it would have effectively banned the .577 Snider as well, I dare say the new consultation document will take muzzle energy into consideration as well.

 

Even if you go down the ME route, you still have problems - what about African dangerous game calibres? HO officials have lots of experience of the legal and drafting pitfalls in trying to meet police and political desires to ban certain 'especially dangerous' firearms and cartridges.



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 01:42 PM

Very difficult to ban a calibre - as Laurie says it could embrace big game cartridges and black-powder stuff.

 

If they banned the 50BMG specifically, it would be so easy to 'wildcat' it to something slightly different but, maybe that's the intention/solution - outside of the 7.62x39, the 50BMG must be the most popular ISIS cartridge.



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 01:50 PM

Very difficult to ban a calibre - as Laurie says it could embrace big game cartridges and black-powder stuff.

 

If they banned the 50BMG specifically, it would be so easy to 'wildcat' it to something slightly different but, maybe that's the intention/solution - outside of the 7.62x39, the 50BMG Ford Transit must be the most popular ISIS method cartridge.

 

Vince, IMHO  more relevant edit!

 

Be interesting to see how many 50.cals have been used in crimes in say the last 50 years as the investigation is on 'how to clamp down'??



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 01:58 PM

Well yes - but just trying to guess their reasoning...............



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 02:21 PM

Well yes - but just trying to guess their reasoning...............


You still think that gun laws are based on reasoning?

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 02:58 PM

Basc statement,

 

https://basc.org.uk/...c-consultation/


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 04:02 PM

One of the chaps down at my club has submitted a Freedom of Info request to identify the number of 'incidents' involving the .50's. I suspect it will be a brief response.

At least the community will be armed with the statistics - although it might be the only thing we are left 'armed' with....

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:50 PM

Very difficult to ban a calibre - as Laurie says it could embrace big game cartridges and black-powder stuff.

 

If they banned the 50BMG specifically, it would be so easy to 'wildcat' it to something slightly different but, maybe that's the intention/solution - outside of the 7.62x39, the 50BMG must be the most popular ISIS cartridge.

 

I think you'll find its the Soviet era 12.7x108 as used by the DShK and other Russian HMG, not the 50 BMG. That or the 14.5x114 used by the KPV HMG (KPVT vehicle version and ZPU AAA installations), or the good old 23x152B used by 2A14 cannon (as used by the ZU AAA guns and ZSU SPAAGs). Popularity of ammo is probably actually the the 7.62x39, then the 7.62x54R, then 5.45x39, then the big boys. They're also been seen using Western infantry personal weapons, so 5.56x45 and 7.62x51.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 11:22 PM

Just read my emails and spoted this from the NRA re possible ban
What next no straight pulls ? I'm going to take time to wright to my MP and ask his view perhaps I can in lighten him.
Also going to join the local Consetive association what better way to speak directly re our sport.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:02 PM

I don't quite understand why everyone isn't up in arms about this (excuse the pun). I looked on the 50 cal. website to see what their take on it was, and there was no mention of it. This post has been up for 8 days and there have been a measly 18 comments.

 

Maybe I'm worrying too much, and I hope that The_Dogge's forecast is correct.

 

This consultation sounds very similar to one from about 5 years ago, which through effective lobbying and a large count of responses to the consultation (from me included) came to nothing. Lets make sure that happens again.

 

This could the thin end of the wedge as the government keeps removing calibres as the banned ones are not deemed necessary: "why do you need a 50 cal? You can use a 338 instead"...and then a few years down the line: ".338 - i don't think you've good enough reason for that - no one hunts with that calibre (so plod will say). You'll have to make do with .308."

 

I'm hoping I'm worrying too much.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 04:28 PM

It's just too early to go nuts. It's a consultation that very likely will go nowhere as it's fundamentally lacking in evidence and justification.

When the consultation opens, then will be the time to rationally point out the futility of further restriction.

Likely though, most people won't respond to the consultation, leaving it to BASC and the NRA who'll no doubt succeed as they have in the past. Then within months they'll say that BASC and the NRA never do anything for shooters, because déjà vu.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:40 AM

FCSA are working directly with NRA and BASC........there has been direct contact with home office and they are to be applauded for taking up the 'fight'........this integrated effort is the approach most likely to succeed and should be supported.

What they DO NOT NEED is disparaging or angry commentary which makes the legitimate shooting community sound like some sort of pissed off rednecks.

The issue is being profesionally addressed.




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