martin_b Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Guys I have the standard conditions on my FAC for a target shooter. I also have a friend who owns several hundred acres of land and disused sand pits within walking distance of my house. I already do a bit of pigeon shooting on his land, but whats the procedure if i wanted to do accompanied target shooting in one of his old quarries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 If you have a closed ticket and the land has not been passed then no you you can’t shoot it with your FAC sec1 . i have just noticed your ticket is for target shooting only . In that case no your to have to speak to your FEO / Licensing dept , Also keep in mind recreational shooting is off limits until restrictions have been lifted . So all is to play for ! always remember, whatever your license says you allowed to do , is ALL you can do . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_b Posted April 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Cheers, Land is cleared for Deer and Vermin ( and even the odd cormorant) shooting and i assume target shooting as well as he has a "zero range" the gamekeepers use . I'll see if I can get hold of the FEO and see what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, martin_b said: Cheers, Land is cleared for Deer and Vermin ( and even the odd cormorant) shooting and i assume target shooting as well as he has a "zero range" the gamekeepers use . I'll see if I can get hold of the FEO and see what he says. Like I said if ALL you have is a target shooting condition at a home Office approved range Blah blah you your have to speak to your licensing dept . shouldn’t be a problem as long as your a good enough reason for whatever your asking for 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_b Posted April 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, One on top of two said: Like I said if ALL you have is a target shooting condition at a home Office approved range Blah blah you your have to speak to your licensing dept . shouldn’t be a problem as long as your a good enough reason for whatever your asking for 👍 Will do, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, One on top of two said: If you have a closed ticket and the land has not been passed then no you you can’t shoot it with your FAC sec1 . i have just noticed your ticket is for target shooting only . In that case no your to have to speak to your FEO / Licensing dept , Also keep in mind recreational shooting is off limits until restrictions have been lifted . So all is to play for ! always remember, whatever your license says you allowed to do , is ALL you can do . Define recreational shooting..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, No i deer said: Define recreational shooting..? 1 minute ago, No i deer said: Define recreational shooting..? Really ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Any type of shooting could be classed as recreational unless you are a professional I guess..🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, No i deer said: Any type of shooting could be classed as recreational unless you are a professional I guess..🤔 And there you go you have just answered your own question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Sikamalc on stalking directory in deer stalking general has written an article on this subject being most stalkers are classed as recreational stalkers and in only certain circumstances would be ok.. It's worth a read if your unsure 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, No i deer said: Sikamalc on stalking directory in deer stalking general has written an article on this subject being most stalkers are classed as recreational stalkers and in only certain circumstances would be ok.. It's worth a read if your unsure 👍 I’m not unsure . Your the one who asked the definition of recreational shooting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 I was and it's conditional. If you live on a farm it's different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, No i deer said: I was and it's conditional. If you live on a farm it's different. Or If your a paid As a professional ( I am ) or if you work on or contracted to the farm or agricultural company (I do and I am Classed a key worker ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattnall Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, One on top of two said: Like I said if ALL you have is a target shooting condition at a home Office approved range Blah blah you your have to speak to your licensing dept . shouldn’t be a problem as long as your a good enough reason for whatever your asking for 👍 Many FACs I've seen recently have the approved range condition changed to something like "on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim" since no one approves civilian ranges any more. But if anything goes wrong and it isn't built to a suitable standard don't expect to get let off with a warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 So your a agricultural contractor not a professional stalker or vermin controller..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Your going round and round .... spit it out ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 I'm gonna need a bigger boat 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 It sounds like none of us should be going out shooting unless you own/run or live on a farm. Not sure there is any other exceptions... I am still working but not sure for how much longer as we're running out of materials fast because most merchant's are closed 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 30 minutes ago, No i deer said: It sounds like none of us should be going out shooting unless you own/run or live on a farm. Not sure there is any other exceptions... Blimey ... good job I’m covered then 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarmLR Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, No i deer said: It sounds like none of us should be going out shooting unless you own/run or live on a farm. Not sure there is any other exceptions... I am still working but not sure for how much longer as we're running out of materials fast because most merchant's are closed 🙄 Not true. If you are employed for vermin control, be that a professional gamekeeper or not, and you can show good reason, then how can restrictions apply? You would have to be sure of your good reason and it would have to stand up in court. An example is someone who undertakes fox control for a farmer who cannot do that himself and is experiencing issues and lost lambs or is in threat of losing lambs during this year's lambing season. Food production is an essential activity and so is anything that supports it. Too many sanctimonious arm chair warriors spouting BS on this across forums.....meet those conditions, check with your licensing department and have it recorded, plus advise local plod of when you intend going out so that they are not called unnecessarily to reports of shooting and you are acting within the law. The Coronavirus Act 2020 is available online for those who have not yet read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, VarmLR said: Not true. If you are employed for vermin control, be that a professional gamekeeper or not, and you can show good reason, then how can restrictions apply? You would have to be sure of your good reason and it would have to stand up in court. An example is someone who undertakes fox control for a farmer who cannot do that himself and is experiencing issues and lost lambs or is in threat of losing lambs during this year's lambing season. Food production is an essential activity and so is anything that supports it. Too many sanctimonious arm chair warriors spouting BS on this across forums.....meet those conditions, check with your licensing department and have it recorded, plus advise local plod of when you intend going out so that they are not called unnecessarily to reports of shooting and you are acting within the law. The Coronavirus Act 2020 is available online for those who have not yet read it. Thank you 👍 I just couldn’t be assed anymore but for the record I am game keeper , in fact I have been the keeper on the estate for 12 years now , and paid by the estate. I run it all and have a considerable financial interest in it too . I’m also paid by two other estates for all the crop protection , I supply all the bird scarers / Gas guns and bangers and cover the maintenance too . Also moving them to the vulnerable areas as and when needed , 7 days a week . and if that does not work I will shoot the fields as per current DEFRA general license conditions. during lambing season I will also be doing predator control . which those that do it or have done it will know is a full on job and with NO room for mistakes or idiots . at drilling times I jump on the machines and help drill , ( which is what I’m busy doing tomorrow ) harvest time Upto game season I’m Nearly full time With everything going on . I also own my own land , I have stables and horses . I should be covered 👍 I belive the above qualifies me as one of the so-called key workers .... your welcome 👍 Well that’s half of my income haha 😂 as for the other half , Im a partner in small building firm with few great lads doing what we have done for the past 30 yrs and thats farm maintenance also one off houses , and extensions ect ect , However being a partner affords me the luxury of just helping out as and when which in turn allows me to do what I love the most ... that would be the farm / game keeper / crop protection side of things . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avian Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 Where does it say in the legislation that it has to be a home office approved range for target shooting. I believe it merely states on one's FAC that it has to have adequate insurance in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 9 hours ago, One on top of two said: Thank you 👍 I just couldn’t be assed anymore but for the record I am game keeper , in fact I have been the keeper on the estate for 12 years now , and paid by the estate. I run it all and have a considerable financial interest in it too . I’m also paid by two other estates for all the crop protection , I supply all the bird scarers / Gas guns and bangers and cover the maintenance too . Also moving them to the vulnerable areas as and when needed , 7 days a week . and if that does not work I will shoot the fields as per current DEFRA general license conditions. during lambing season I will also be doing predator control . which those that do it or have done it will know is a full on job and with NO room for mistakes or idiots . at drilling times I jump on the machines and help drill , ( which is what I’m busy doing tomorrow ) harvest time Upto game season I’m Nearly full time With everything going on . I also own my own land , I have stables and horses . I should be covered 👍 I belive the above qualifies me as one of the so-called key workers .... your welcome 👍 Well that’s half of my income haha 😂 as for the other half , Im a partner in small building firm with few great lads doing what we have done for the past 30 yrs and thats farm maintenance also one off houses , and extensions ect ect , However being a partner affords me the luxury of just helping out as and when which in turn allows me to do what I love the most ... that would be the farm / game keeper / crop protection side of things . As you have explained you situation in full it's better understood so other shooters don't get the wrong impression thinking that it's still ok for you so it must be ok for them.. Being a paid gamekeeper wouldn't be considered as recreational. As been said many times never assume anything...!! Thanks for shedding more light on this topic 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 NID , im glad we have cleared that up 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 A good freind of mine is a keeper and i messaged him the other day asking him how it's affecting him but things were business as usual...!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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