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  1. 100 yards is 91.44 m 100 m = 109.4 yards
  2. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    HIAdrian, My current FAC states: "The .338 barrel, sound moderator and ammunition shall be used ONLY for target shooting at Brookshill Shooting Club and on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim." Its a barrel as it's off my AXMC rifle and that was purchased after the rifle was bought in .308. It is clear from this that there is no intention by the firearms department to restrict use to only my club and ranges notified by it. Regards David
  3. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    Yes that is my point, I do not believe it is or ever was the intention of the wording to restrict one to used clubs ranges or ranges notified by them. I believe the wording "Whilst a member of club XYZ" is simply to reenforce the fact that one has to be a member of a club to have a firearm for solely target shooting, as is required by the act, so that if ones membership lapsed one would be breaching the condition of the FAC
  4. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    Thank you for the explanation of that. I still do not feel your argument is correct, but it's been an interesting discussion David
  5. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    Hi Adrian, If it was that the club had notify the HO or police of any ranges it's member used then surly that would be stated in the club rules and that one could only use ranges that they had notified and not doing so would nullify your membership. Otherwise their insurers would never insure them as they would be breaking the law in not notifying anywhere their member target shot. Low or not if one breaks the law one is likely to loose one's FAC. Where would be the best place to get this clarified, the local FEO or higher up? David
  6. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    HI Adrain, I understand the logic of what you are saying about the residual issue for the club, but one would not be shooting as a member of the club, i.e. not representing them in any way, so they have no control, knowledge of what is being done and have no responsibility of it at all. I believe that the whilst a member of club XYZ is to comply with the act in that one has to be a member of a club, once that lapses you are breaching the condition of the FAC I don't see it has anything at all to do with the range itself or any connection between the range being used and the club one is a member of. If it did they surly the wording would be far more specific in that area. It would say "on club ranges or ranges they have notified" David
  7. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    Hi Adrian, Your comments above are very interesting, but I cannot see how you come to that conclusion. "The firearm(s) and ammunition shall be used for target shooting, and only whilst a member of*club1, and only on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequatefinancial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim." It says only whilst a member, i.e. you have to be a member of s club, which is what the legislation states. So if you membership lapses you cannot longer meet that condition. If it stated as a member of a club then perhaps your conclusion might be correct. If the condition was indeed at ranges of the club, or notified by them, then surly it would clearly state that. The fact that is says: "and only on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequatefinancial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim." makes it IMHO clear that there is no expectancy of it being on club ranges or ones notified by them since they would all have insurance in place and be safe since that is a condition of the registration of a club under the act I believe. So if what you say os correct how can target shooters turn up and shoot at the tunnel without breaking a condition of their FAC if their club knows nothing about that range?
  8. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    Target only shooting is always restricted to being a member of a HO approved club, that is what the act states, you have to be a member of a club. They are not however restricted to only the ranges for that club.
  9. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    Hi Adrian, I disagree with your interpretation of that wording. The wording "Whilst a member of club XYS" is necessary since it is a condition of the act for people who solely wish to target shoot to be a member of a club: section 44 states: 44.—( 1) If a chief officer of police is satisfied, on an application for the grant or renewal of a firearm certificate in relation to any rifle or muzzle loading firearms loading pistol which is not a prohibited weapon, that the applicant's only used for target reason for having it in his possession is to use it for target shooting, any certificate which may be granted to the applicant or, as the case may be, renewed shall be held subject to the following conditions (in addition to any other conditions), namely— (a) the rifle or pistol is only to be used for target shooting; and (b) the holder must be a member of an approved rifle club or, as the case may be, muzzle-loading pistol club specified in the certificate. (2) In this section, "muzzle loading pistol" means a pistol designed to be loaded at the muzzle end of the barrel or chamber with a loose charge and a separate ball (or other missile). If the intention was to only shoot at that club, or ranges approved for it's use the FAC would state clearly. If your interpretation is correct, then most target shooters using ranges that are not at their club are breaking the law. since a lot of people go to other ranges as individuals and not as part of their club competitions and also to ranges that their club never shoots at.
  10. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    So on my .308 which had "The .308 rifle, sound moderator and ammunition shall be used ONLY for target shooting on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim." You agree I could shoot it on any range I set up providing it had insurance in place and a proper backstop. I'll need to check the current wording for my .338, I've overseas at the moment If what you are saying is correct and it can only be your won club then how do people manage to travel as individuals to other ranges and use them without breaking the law?
  11. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    Again you are using the term club. Yes I accept that clubs must be approved. A private individual who wishes to use a rifle for solely target shooting needs to be a member of such a club , and visit it a number of times per year. I fail to see however that there is any legislation that prevent him or her setting up a range, a target with a suitable backstop and have insurance in place in case of accidents etc, for his or her own use that is not on club property.
  12. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    The issue is not about clubs, it is about a private individual being able to set up his or her own target range. Therefore police entry to HO Approved clubs does nto come into it.
  13. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    Why do the police need powers of entry to land to check if someone is shooting safely at targets. The safety is down to the individual as it is with stalking. If the FOE wanted to inspect I can hardly see and FAC holder refusing him entry as that would risk his or her FAC
  14. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    Thanks Adrain, It must be correct or they would not accept it. There is nothing within the legislation that states that target shooting can only be on a club range Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 section 44 states: 44.—( 1) If a chief officer of police is satisfied, on an application for the grant or renewal of a firearm certificate in relation to any rifle or muzzlec ertain firearms loading pistol which is not a prohibited weapon, that the applicant's only used for target reason for having it in his possession is to use it for target shooting, any certificate which may be granted to the applicant or, as the case may be, renewed shall be held subject to the following conditions (in addition to any other conditions), namely— (a) the rifle or pistol is only to be used for target shooting; and (b) the holder must be a member of an approved rifle club or, as the case may be, muzzle-loading pistol club specified in the certificate. (2) In this section, "muzzle loading pistol" means a pistol designed to be loaded at the muzzle end of the barrel or chamber with a loose charge and a separate ball (or other missile). It is of course good policy to get the FEO to check the site and state that they are happy with it. David
  15. Avian

    Shooting on private land.

    I believe it is having spoken to the guys are Orion and WMS firearms training, both of which many people use. If i could only be on club ranges then how does Orion and WMS firearms training operate? This about sums it up https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/answers/legal-answers/legalities-target-shooting-private-land-104960
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