John MH

Thanks for all your contributions to my General Reflextion thread. 

I think its best that it is now locked and politics kept off UKV until the next one in 5 or so years.

Conservative outright win as of now, 332 seats and rising.

Open again

I think the term used these days by the liberal elite is you have to be 'woke'.

In its modern-day, politicised context, 'woke' is defined by the OED as 'originally: well-informed, up-to-date. Now chiefly: alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice'.

Or IMHO the ability to be offended by everything and be the excuse used to shut down debate, particularly from the left leaning snowflakes, when it does not fit their polarised agenda.

Smacks of the old Militant Tendency and the SWP. You can see why he (Jeremy) chases and attracts particular ethnic group votes.

Whilst this poll is a reflection of what our small group of like interested and minded members may think and vote on today will it be reflected nationally?

Who knows we will have to wait and see.

1 minute ago, One on top of two said:

Do you want milk & sugar with that ? 

Smell the coffee?

Food for though 🙂

Annual deficit:

Lab 2010: £153.5bn

Con 2019: £32.3bn

NHS Budget:

Lab 2010: £111.7bn

Con 2019: £139.3bn

Minimum Wage:

Lab 2010: £5.93

Con 2019: £7.70

Tax Free Allowance:

Lab 2010: £6,475

Con 2019: £12,500

Unemployment:

Lab 2010: 8%

Con 2019: 3.9%

However,  vote Jeremy and get Louise Haigh and she does want your .308 Win and .338 Lapua.

Point taken, shooting is not everything.

2 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

 It's not surprising that the UKV demographic is heavily Tory.  My guess is predominately over 50, white males into country sports  🤔

Well, I'll buck the trend I think.  I'll hold my nose and vote for anyone but the Serial Lying Buffoon and his cabinet of self-serving weaklings and nasty thick Little Ingurlanders.

So you are happy to give up your .308 Win and .338 Lapua?

Pretty clear so far.

We will all have to hold our noses 😷

So who are the membership of UKV going to be supporting on Thursday?

1 hour ago, BlueBoy69 said:

I extensively used Doppler radars as part of a suite of ballistic instrumentation for one of my previous jobs. The biggest problem with Dopplers, after being able to detect the projectile for long enough, is triggering. Get that wrong, especially with high-drag projectiles which small arms generally are, and you can give up trying to get decent muzzle velocity results, or results at all. Bad triggering is more than likely the problem that is occurring here with these small-calibre high-drag projectiles.

The Labradar is normally triggered by acoustic noise (pressure), or a change (increase) in the Doppler signal. The Labradar has three acoustic triggers, the inbuilt high noise level one, plus two external ones, the air-gun trigger and the archery trigger. The inbuilt should work with most unsuppressed guns, the air-gun trigger for air-guns and suppressed guns, and the archery trigger is self-explanatory.

For acoustic triggering, this is something we never used as it was generally impractical on big guns as it was too variable and hence impossible to get the precise muzzle exit times. Precise muzzle exit is required for accurate muzzle velocity prediction, especially on high-drag projectiles and when measuring automatic weapons. A piezo pressure gauge fitted near the muzzle, which would require a hole to be drilled and tapped, was a good pressure trigger but obviously totally impractical for many weapons for many reasons.

Doppler triggering, which is generally caused by the high-pressure propellant gases venting or the projectile as it enters the beam, was used for simpler Doppler systems we used and the error with low-drag projectiles was acceptable. For small arms, their drag is so high in comparison to larger projectiles that a slight error in what is perceived to be muzzle exit will result in an incorrectly calculated muzzle velocity. Also, if the trigger is late and the Doppler low powered, the projectile can be out of detectable range before measurement can occur.

It should be noted that precise muzzle exit times are only required for muzzle velocity prediction, not the measurement downrange. Saying that, a good muzzle exit trigger is required so that the said measurement can at least take place. If the trigger is late and the projectile is out of the beam, or its reflected signal is too weak, you’re not going to get anything.

For me, the Labradar falls down in a number of ways, the first of which is its power supply which is abysmal. It should have a far better battery power system, such as an external battery pack as standard with nothing internal, and an external mains power supply system. It could certainly do with a better non-contact muzzle exit detector, such as a flash detector. It could do with the ability to set the offset distances of the acoustic trigger, to the side and backwards and forwards, so geometric correction of the trigger and Doppler can be made. It would be nice to be able to do some post-analysis, so the ability to save of the digitised raw Doppler signal, or whatever else it might be able to saved, would be nice. The standard tripod is lacking and the aiming ability isn’t very good either, but over the ranges, it works over, probably not much of a problem.

And as an afterthought, well comment, if you want to know the 'muzzle velocity', get an in-bore Doppler, radar or laser. Muzzle velocity is a bit of a misnomer anyway as the bullet is still being accelerated by the existing propellant gases for a few projectile calibres anyway, so the peak velocity isn’t at the muzzle!

Have you been able to do any performance comparisons between a UK/EU Labradar model and a US Spec model?

Tried the Labradar alongside Magnetospeed V3 (v3 mounted off barrel), velocity results very close and trends up and down the same. Sold the Labradar as it was more faff to use than the Magnetospeed.

On 12/2/2019 at 3:21 PM, cheshirelad said:

Don't suppose anyone knows where there might be a second hand system for sale.

Unlikely to get a full kit but I have a V2 thrower with Area 419 upgrades and a V1 trickler lying around at home, all that is missing is the stepper motors which you would have to procure yourself, these are generic items available from many sources on the www but you would need to clarify which type to get from Adam McDonald. Working away at the moment but should be home just before Christmas. You would still need to get the scale.

V3, better thrower and works well even with larger kernel powders such as RS80 plus the Bluetooth weight setting makes things super easy.

1 hour ago, No i deer said:

There is more than one video and that A&D&AT is a monstrosity and was a piece out of that Delorean from the back to the future film which also became part of the mouse trap game 😉😂. The matchmaster is a far better looking piece of technology rather than a contraption 🤪😂.

Luddite 

Just now, Moorlander said:

What do you need on your FAC for these ?

Yes

19 minutes ago, Ronin said:

One calibre to reach and stay stable above 1400 mtrs will require boiler room space Dave 

It’s not impossible though 

For that you need a 6XC and 115 grain DTAC doing 3200 FPS.

25 minutes ago, RoryGibb said:

it's a stock!

Ah, sorry but it was not clear to me so maybe not clear to others. Any way have another bump on me.

THIS IS FOR THE STOCK ONLY 😎

Rory it might be helpful to say what calibre its chambered in.

No comparison they are not the same thing. Targetmaster Trickler is only as good as the beam scale it’s paired with. Pair it with a good quality repeatable balance beam scale and it works really well.