John MH

Will need to swap notes.

My thinking is to go with the Hornady 225 Grain ELD-M to start with, still waiting for rifle to touch down but everything ready to go. Don't think I'm going to need an adjustable base and as its a multi cal rifle with a 20 MOA integral rail I'm thinking maybe a 20 or 30 MOA base for the 5-45x56 PMII.

Anyone have any experience loading for this cartridge?

I have Lapua cases, Russian Standard LRP and Magnum LRPs, 200 to 225 grain bullets and RS70 ready to assemble and am looking for a load to shoot between 1200 and 2000 yards from a 30" 1 in 8 twist barrel.

Just ordered this addition.

If they have already started to split its too late to save them.

Bargain here for anyone after an FX120i

I develop a load and then see how fast its going, nothing could be simpler, why complicate matters.

 

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Cross reference current post on Targetmaster Powder Trickler.

Ther must be some slick ergonomics around-or someone isn't using a Tag Heuer *chronograph.

Alan (targetmaster) demonstrates loading 42.5 g Varget into cases. Powder thrower set for around 40g,and balance trickled in with his trickler. From Throw of the 40,to 41.5 into the case,it's about 40 seconds. Maybe it could be a tad faster,but there is a fair bit of movement of powder pan,and funnel,and pouring....but that is essential,and needs care.

I make that over half an hour for 50 cases to go from empty to charged with 41.5 g each,on the reloading bench (In tag heuer units,it's actually 33m 20 seconds,excluding 2.148 seconds to push tag's button).

Clearly using the trickler only for full load would be much longer...much...as John's video shows.

The actual trickle time is considerably less-that is but one time component though....to suggest something of the order of 5 secs is like saying barrel life is 3 seconds (the total time bullet in in there-true,but real world non sense).

No big deal,and I for one have enough 1/2 hours for it not to matter;and you are indeed getting consistent powder measures to .002 grain....err...very probably (no actual repeat measures of same pan of powder are included,but accept anyhow).

The Sartorious ( I checked another video) I found a bit disconcerting-not just the half hour for it to settle-until you move-but the constantly changing 3rd and 4th decimal place....you just have to block that (think about it as if it undecided about the weight of the hole in the last kernel).

Genuinely,all very impressive.

I note there are no consistent kernel claims made for the Lee plastic spoon.But I could barely get sugar spooned into my coffee at the suggested rates.It may be that my Nigela designed sugar bowl is not optimal,and I used a silver (christening) spoon,which may invalidate it all :-)

Come on guys,John and Alan are into precision measures;let's keep the human ergonomics real.

gbal

* actually an Accurist,so could be out 2/3 seconds total ,if loading 8,400 per week (powder hopper changing etc,excluded)

If you pre-throw and top up from 1.500 to 1.530 g it takes about 5 to 7 seconds dependant on the ramp down setting you program into the scale. So let's say taking the time to throw the powder into the pan and place it on the scales is 5 secs, plus the trickling time of 5 to 7 seconds and then let's say it takes 5 seconds to pour it down a funnel on a case in a tray, that comes to about 15-17 seconds per case, round that up to 20 secs, so 3 cases per minute. 50 divided by 3 is close enough to 17 minutes so 50 cases in 18 mins is more than reasonable. If you trickle up from a lower weight that will take a little longer and if you are really fussy, like me and only accept spot on target weights, then it takes a little longer still.

The scales used with the Autotrickler are not the erratic and prone to drift strain gauge scales, they are much more stable magnetic force restoration scales that don't drift as much, if at all. The FZ models have internal calibration that takes less than a minute to check everything is correct. Scale resolution and refresh rate for 0.001 g measurement is as much as is needed for reloading to a single kernel of powder (a misleading parameter as no two kernels are going to be exactly the same weight so there may be more or less kernels in two charges of the same mass, but who cares as long as they are within +/- 0.001 g). Stabilisation time is 1 second when set to 'fast' so it determines the weight in the pan well within 'drop, place, trickle, stop' cycle time of 5 to 7 seconds. Higher refresh rates and finer resolution are not needed so don't bother getting a 0.0001 scale as it's not going to offer any advantage over what the reloader may want given the average powder kernel weight.

Magnetospeed

My auotmatic trickler and scales arrived last week, unfortunatly the scales have got a fault on them when they are turned on so I'm just waiting for the replacement to arrive!

Bugger, hope the replacement arrives soon.

Tested a batch of ammunition loaded with the A&D Fz120i and Autotickler today. 55 shots fired, first 5 shots were bore fouling shots followed by 50 shots fired over a Magnetospeed chronograph at a rate of 1 shot per minute. Brass was once fired GGG, annealed, F/L sized in a Whidden Die with .221 expander. Primers were Murom KVB 223 and powder was 23.6 Grains (1.530 g) of TR140. I was after a single digit S-D and the best I've ever had before was 6 but usually low teens. I'm happy with the results.

More information here: Turn Your FX-120i into a Prometheus

The A&D Fz120i is a magnetic force restoration scale with internal calibration, it does not drift. Strain gauge electronic scales do drift and do require constant re-zeroing.

Scale is a A&D Fz120i

The trickler comes from Canada and is compatible with a couple of lab grade scales such as A&D Fx/Fz 120i, Sartorius GD503 and a few others.

Can trickle up from 0.000 to final set weight or just the last few mg from a just under target weight thrown charge. Anything within +/- 0.001 is more than acceptable as its one kernel of powder.

My new powder trickler works well and is a bit quicker than the Omega and RCBC 10-10 I was using before.

Very accurate with 1.530g (23.6 Grains) set it stops to within +/- 0.001g which is one kernel of powder.

He's on here as 'Raptor Calls', PM him.

How do they perform with wet moderators, by that I mean with a moderator totally immersed in a liquid. Sound attenuation may be better but given the viscosity of any fluid that is thicker than air the quoted BCs for blanks may not be valid in any of the reloading manuals so calculating drops and windage required may result in unexplained misses on targets across all ranges.

Bruce

Is the central mild steel post on the duelling tree replaceable if damaged by a mis-aimed HV bullet? Duelling trees are great fun with pistols but I'd like to be able to shoot at one at 150 to 200 yards with a full bore rifle without worrying too much about damage.

Naughty boy, was that not supposed to be for Christmas Day?

Great product and Allan is a true gent.

Despite their shortcomings they are sought after rifles and were particularly popular with Practical Rifle shooters for quite a while, they have, however, been overtaken by straight pull AR15 variants on the whole.