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Was that the first firing of that batch of Hornady brass and what was the variation of that brass when new?

34 minutes ago, Richard.S said:

I use the Sinclair sizing mandrels and they don’t quite give me the neck tension I’m after. Will probably move to the turning mandrels myself. 

Have you tried Century 21 mandrels? They come in 1/0th" increments and fit the Sinclair holder.

3 hours ago, Artiglio said:

Good day

I’ve an elderly relative that lives a little isolated and alone. Of late has been concerned about torch light around their home. A few enquiries locally have revealed that there is a local ne’er do well that goes out at night to steal firewood ( said relative has their firewood seasoning in two barns, and it’s been going down  faster than usual). Having contacted the police the impression is that they know its a problem but without any proof won’t get involved in any way.  Loss of the firewood is something we could put up with but the distress it’s causing is not.

So i need some sort of trailcam or similar , ideally working off the mobile network ( wifi in house won’t cover the area in question) , they could be mains powered from the outbuildings. Remote monitoring/ alerts are needed as i live 6 hours away. Any suggestions  or recommendations 
 

cheers.

Check out for full cctv

https://www.farmstream.co.uk/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAx6ugBhCcARIsAGNmMbge4375TpwFDOCfgRPHgTNVlOSRMCpk2zG3pEiaO29JlTbdXye9FRcaAtN-EALw_wcB

23 minutes ago, Ralpharama said:

Last time I shot at IR2 I seemed to be the only one who had to make two journeys from my car. My body is not in good shape partly as a result of falling of motorcycles taking hedonism to its logical conclusion. Without a Time Machine I can’t put that right so need to find a better set of kit.
My mat alone takes up a huge amount of space, being one of those thick vinyl covered jobs that folds into four - comfy but I’ll chop it out for a roll up I guess. I carry my rifle in a heavy plastic case that came with my Sabatti rifles and offers superb protection, but are cumbersome. My range box is a large Plano box that everything goes in easily, but again is ungainly.

This kit is perfect for Bisley where I can pull my truck up behind the firing point, but is a pain, literally, to walk the seemingly increasing distances at MOD ranges. I notice that AIM mats and bags seem popular, but they’re not cheap; are they worth the investment? I rearly I could do with strapping as much to my back as possible?

Any thought would be appreciated 

I feel for you; have you considered a powered golf cart modified to take your stuff?  There's a couple of chaps around I know using that solution to good effect.  Plenty of battery capacity for to and fro on a range.

AIM products are high quality design and manufacture.  Re AIM mats - I have one and it's very good, bigger than the common rolled up type and quite stable for my back bag.  I also have a couple of AIM drag-bags, a very comfortable way to lug gear up a range on your back if you must.

20 minutes ago, OSOK said:

I understand what your saying and it sounds right put that way ... I guess my frustration is down to one area allowing it without any fuss only to find my area stating the paid part stops me being a servant .. They seem happy enough with my circumstances to grant me an RFD for the same purposes but it still seems a play on words but with an additional application fee ... Or am i being a Cynic

Not a cynic,  I think we all agree that the various police jurisdictions should apply the law interpreted to one standard, correctly.  It's very frustrating.  I believe the College Of Policing consultation is their in-house attempt to do that but as always the devils' in the details

1 hour ago, OSOK said:

Can anyone tell me what constitutes being a servant of please .....

I'm being told that if you provide a service to an RFD and recieve payment via an invoice then your not a servant of that RFD ..... However if you are on the payroll of the RFD then you can which makes no sense to me and seems like a play on words  ?

OSOK

Seems reasonable advice to me, after all persons normally doing invoiced work wouldn't necessarily be a 'servant' ie painter & decorator etc.  Just because the invoiced work may involve firearms doesn't change that does it?  Also invoiced work implies only a contract by contract relationship between parties.

Someone on the payroll is clearly a 'servant' with continuous employment responsibilities and duties and under direct control of the employer.

9 hours ago, Jim DiGriz said:

FCSA HQ at Over Cassock

cheers and lets hope the planning sails through this time 

2 hours ago, Jim DiGriz said:

Unfortunately since Frank Compton retired there is no longer anyone within the NRA who could be deemed to be competent (using the MoD definition of competent contained within PAM 21) to assess a range that is not a gallery range.

This is why we ran a huge amount of ballistic simulation followed by practical testing with witness screens to prove the safety of our range.

 

for understanding - what range is that ?

2 hours ago, Roy W said:

When the Firearms Amendment Act was written in 1988, the Home Secretary Douglas Hurd had a nice pair of Purdey shotguns in the family. He obviously didn't want to lose them. 

Therefore a section was written into the act which contains the sentence:

Sect 3 (1B) For the purposes of paragraph (b) of subsection (1A) above an applicant shall, in particular, be regarded as having a good reason if the gun is intended to be used for sporting or competition purposes or for shooting vermin; "and an application shall not be refused by virtue of that paragraph merely because the applicant intends neither to use the gun himself nor to lend it for anyone else to use"

Thereby allowing Dougie to keep his family heirlooms without having to demonstrate good reason.

So, you can have a shotgun, because you want one. 

Until that changes, the issuing of shotgun certificates will not require good reason, just that the applicant is suitable.

 

Thought it might have been a fudge for the Landed Gentry,  good info Roy

2 hours ago, Re-Pete said:

Just look at the way different newspapers/news channels and the way their correspondents present the news.

I've followed this blog for years now, and it's been a real eye-opener. Here's an example:

https://www.medialens.org/ https://www.medialens.org/2023/harry-the-traitor-and-lynch-the-grinch-the-corporate-medias-automatic-smear-machine/

Pete

 

 

I always read/watch/hear everything with a bucket of salt to hand as a pinch is never enough.  I don't care about celeb tittle-tattle and the press can get stuck up 'em for all it matters and I'm not about to accept any 'news' analysis from a tabloid.  I recommend Private Eye for investigative journalism, again with a skeptical view of course

1 hour ago, Re-Pete said:

Well Hersh is a respected Pulitzer prizewinning reporter, so by definition, there would be a lot of people in the corporate media trying to discredit him.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/seymour-hersh-breaks-my-lai-story      

Pete

 

I just don't buy this "corporate media" narrative,  makes no sense to me

1 hour ago, Re-Pete said:

Check this out..........particularly the comments made by the second speaker in the debate, Sarah Jones, in the third paragraph of her spiel.......that probably applies to the majority of firearms office personnel. Many of them don't know one end of a gun from the other.......

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-02-21/debates/1CD386F0-B1D6-424E-9C85-E4F2C6D7B6CD/PlymouthShooting

Pete

ps: And why should applying for a shotgun be different to applying for any other firearm?

Very interesting.  I agree with your point "why should applying for a shotgun be different to applying for any other firearm?"   I think the day may come where shotgun ownership will be dependant on 'good reason to possess' and all that entails such as land to shoot over permissions and/or membership of clay shooting clubs etc.

Clearly the Police need to resource their firearms departments properly and I'd be content to pay more for my license to help facilitate that as it's a small cost when seen spread over five years. Maybe the ten year license with periodic checks would be better in terms of admin efficiency and occasional eyes-on oversight?

With regard to 'not knowing one end from the other'  that too seems a real problem, certainly for new staff, and I made that point in my feedback to the recent College of Policing consultation.

33 minutes ago, terryh said:

… difference between a conspiracy and fact is normally 6-9 months 🤔😂😂

Maybe a quick read through of this:  https://oalexanderdk.substack.com/p/blowing-holes-in-seymour-hershs-pipe?fbclid=IwAR1vkEURrBRBbN0Neie-ZyBlocVwSC8oiiOsebdLPqDmwzBcxSQgBprv8z0

The original source of the Nordstream story reviewed and pulled to bits.   Of course, this could all be a media coverup  - couldn't it ??    Or it may just be the original story is just that... a story.

32 minutes ago, terryh said:

… difference between a conspiracy and fact is normally 6-9 months 🤔😂😂

oh well, we'll see 😉

57 minutes ago, ds1 said:

Just a thought….. 

 by Pastor Martin Niemöller 

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

False equivalence.  Not at all the same thing.   Equating the Holocaust to some calibres being banned by a regional government in democratic Australia is frankly outrageous.

11 minutes ago, ruger7717 said:

Western Australia are banning the calibres listed in the picture, without any type of consultation!

Sucks having a Labour government in charge of your freedoms!

How on earth is that democratic?

Having a Labour Government ?  So what's your point ?

3 hours ago, Re-Pete said:

And who might have blown up Nordstream 2........

https://www.medialens.org/2023/a-beautiful-outpouring-of-rage-the-observer-the-great-peace-march-and-nord-stream/

Pete

Reads like a conspiracy theory;  no actual evidence just hyperventilated, non-objective rant against 'the man'

3 hours ago, Adam SInfield said:

Sorry, didn’t want to sound argumentative. The point I was making was simply the assertion one must open an ‘approved range’ or ‘range’ to allow target shooting is not correct as this has no definition in law. There are no official bodies that will certify a ‘range’ anymore as the NRA have also stopped. They may provide guidance if you push, but will not certify any piece of land.

Insurance is another matter, but having recently spoken to several, they do not ask for any form of certification. Again, others may ask but I haven’t spoken to any that do. Yes, should the worst happen they may try and argue negligence invalidating the policy, but that’s a very high threshold - so as with all policies, the devil is in the detail (I.E. the terms and conditions). In fact, the NRA have confirmed to me that my personal NRA cover through membership covers me for shooting targets over land - which I asked for specifically for, what I believe the OP was asking for, for PRS shooting at farms etc. 

I have been running PRS matches at a local farm, and both the relevant police force and the NRA have confirmed all is well in doing so - and under our club insurance through the NRA - so long as participants have target conditions based on the membership of a HO approved club.

I am very surprised you are operating as you state. Where's the safety design template? How do you control the safety area?  You have risk assessments ?

The advice you say you have received is contrary to the written HO advisory you cited.  I'm very surprised you have NRA approval in principle, setting up a shoot "on a field" given their published position.

The NRA have recently published their Range Design Handbook,  within the first pages they state:

"The NRA is a charity whose objectives include promoting the efficiency of the armed forces through combined military and civilian marksmanship activities. The NRA has no legislative power to regulate range design or operation. It has published this Handbook in order to assist civilian range operators in applying best practice to the operation of civilian rifle ranges, as part of pursuing its charitable objectives. Commercial advice on the design of specific ranges, as well as range inspection services, are available from National Shooting Centre Limited, the wholly-owned commercial subsidiary of the NRA."

While agreeing that the NRA don't have legislative power they do represent best practice and any deviation from that will be very difficult to explain should the men & women in wigs get involved following an incident.

2 hours ago, Adam SInfield said:

Apologies but there is a bit of misinformation here. There is no legal definition of a ‘range’. It is up to the landowner/operator to determine if safe to use, and then, there must be insurance (which can be commercial for all users or individual) in the case of any loss.

This has been confirmed to me by my FEO, who had guidance from the Home Office, and is confirmed in HO Circular 031/2006 (available at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms) following the refusal of both the MoD and NRA to certify ‘ranges’.

The position is therefore that you need target conditions (as 100 rounds at steels is hardly “zeroing or practice” for quarry) on land that is deemed safe by the operator, complies with any planning law (which often the 28 day rule applies) and you (as the FAC holder) are content there is adequate insurance in place for the activity (you or the ground).

What is the misinformation you refer to?  Your own I would suggest.

I quote from the HO circular:  "The responsibility will now be placed more firmly on range owners/operators to ensure that their range is constructed and maintained safely. Failure to do so will leave them liable to sanctions under a range of legislation, such as the Occupiers’ Liability Act 1957, the Occupiers’ Liability (Scotland) Act 1960 and the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974. See Annex A for further details. The criteria for club approval and affected certificate conditions have been revised to remove references to Ministry of Defence safety certificates (see Annex B)."

To say "It is up to the landowner/operator to determine if safe to use.."  is correct but there's an assumption the operator has set up the range to meet standards and cite the NRA/NSRA standards.

It's yet to be tested in law but I think any operator that doesn't have a properly certified range (ie built to a recognised standard) is asking for trouble should issues arise and most importantly their insurance company will certainly kick off should a serious claim be brought.

An individual's personal insurance is not adequate - the range must be insured.  If in doubt try asking your insurance provider.

Planning is not an issue for the shooters - it's likely any ad-hoc range will incur noise abatement pressure from Planning irrespective of the 28 day rule.

6 minutes ago, Lewiscooke said:

Thanks for the info. I did assume my insurance didn't cover anything but me, but never hurts to ask. I'm hopefully going to the SIS next month, and have already asked Helen the question about whether I'm covered or not. 

Sensible to ask and not assume.  I occasionally shoot at Esk. T4 with Marc & Helen  and I've actually met the chap that assessed their range.

You can shoot on a range that has adequate insurance.  Your personal insurance is not relevant to that aspect, it covers you but not the range.  Shooting over land that is not a proper range is not covered by your FAC conditions.

Home Office approved is relevant to permission for clubs to train others and is not limiting in the sense you ask your question.

If you attend an event "over land" it must be a field firing range properly set up and insured not just a field with "shooting over" permissions.

For example, Eskdalemuir is a field firing range with a certificate and insurance organised by Gardners Guns.

But do ask your FEO with specific examples.

11 minutes ago, ds1 said:

Beethoven and metal I find inspiring. One day my double-taps maybe as good as this 16 year old girl’s tapping but I seriously doubt it. 
 

 

absolutely incredible skill but I wouldn't want to ever listen to that again.  No heart or soul just technical brilliance.

While I appreciate the musical skill in jazz, it does nothing for me.  I'll leave "extreme metal" thanks, not really music just sonic torture.

At the moment I'm listening to Peter Green's early Fleetwood Mac (pre Christine Perfect/McVie) and there's only one British blues band that comes close - John Mayall's Blues Breakers with Eric Clapton and occasionally Peter Green on lead ('The Super-Natural'; one of the greatest guitar tracks ever).

BB King, Duane Allman, Steve Ray-Vaughn, early Santana - I guess I'm a sucker for electric blues.  Oh, and of course the greatest of all time - Jimi

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It's 100% complete, fully functioning and hardly used.  In perfect condition.

These are £225 on line.

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