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Had an interesting question raised by a club mate.  "How many primers can I have at home ?"  I didn't know until I'd done some research today.

According to Explosive Regs 2014 we can hold 300g of primer explosive,  that's 4,630 grains.  Industry recommendation is 0.8gr explosive per primer so a holding of 5,750 primers would approximately come to Net Explosive Quantity (NEQ) limits allowable for a home-loader to keep. 

And 15Kg of made-up ammunition NEQ plus 15Kg of smokeless powder (less any primers NEQ).   

Of course there won't be any folks nudging those limits without first holding an explosives ticket for the appropriate hazard...

Happy to be corrected if there's anyone with more knowledge willing to chip in.

7 hours ago, geek said:

The first target was just showing the three shot group after I had worked the load up. I was lucky to get a still day, the top group was shot at 100 yards off a bipod..

Ah, I see.  Good shooting

I can vouch for George's gear being tip-top, the custom rifle I had from him awhile back was mint.

2 hours ago, geek said:

69 gr matchkings, 25gr of N140 with Lapua brass and CCI 400 primers

Load development and 600 yard shoot from a bipod

I'm not quite sure what you're showing us?? How does the top target picture relate to the image below ?

1 hour ago, Roy W said:

I would say the opposite is true.

There are constant improvements being done, I think the ranges are actually good value for money. Apart from a lack of flexibility over available distances, the process of booking is simple.

Not sure what you mean by overstretched?

There are certainly more visible staff members around, but they seem to be checking on safety and, in the main, are polite and helpful.

The NRA's biggest problem is the large number of detractors, many of whom seldom go there but clearly know 'how bad it is'.

It obviously isn't local for many, which is a shame, but wherever it was some people would be close, others would have to travel.

 

 

well said Roy,

I also agree with Martin_B too  - we had a demonstration of the same 'problem' on Stix the other week, a group next to us insisting their target markers were not marking correctly.  It was blowing 12 gusting 18 full wind,  we let them shoot a couple on our lane  - guess what? They missed completely.  Funny that considering our shooters were on target and getting marked every time.

6 hours ago, One on top of two said:

Bisley is slowly turning into the NHS of the  the shooting world ….   
 

run down , overstretched , expensive , and far too many people think there in charge with endless micromanaging . 

far too many Micromanaging ?  Please do explain

13 hours ago, kindwarf said:

Hi Guys I would like to answer a question I have wondered about for a while, I have been shooting  for many years the smallest  magnification on my scopes for F class is 32x but most are 40x and 36x for my .22 rf bench rest  I shoot all distances, my stalking rifles are not above 12x so they are slightly stronger than my binoculars.

I find that most of the scopes on sale on this site are 18x and 25x why do you use such low powered scopes when a 8 to 40x will do for any thing, you can turn it down for  haze, bigger field of view for Mc queens etc and up to max for long distance so why 18 and 25x.

 

I use a S&B PM11 at 25x FFP  for shooting extreme long range (over 1500yds) so I can see a miss splash and therefore make a wind adjustment. Also it's much easier to get back on target after recoil to observe a hit (or miss).  The target at those distances are around 1 moa (18" at 1 mile) so quite easy to see and aim at with moderate magnification.   Optical clarity and a good reticle is also needed.

Of course a mate spotting helps tremendously but I like to see my own hits.  Also haze and mirage can be a bugger with more magnification.   If I shoot my 6.5 or .308 at  1000yds I usually exploit higher magnification (x50 Nightforce and Delta).   Horses for courses

22 minutes ago, Simonc65 said:

I was there on 28th July, there was a classic car festival being held (50's American POS's!!) I guess to raise revenue for the NRA, we clearly don't pay them enough !!

They were close to the 600 firing point....... handy no one was shooting on the 600........ coincidence the system was "broken" ? !!!

I must subdue the conspiracy theorist in me !!

I was shooting on Century on 29th, no problems with the hotrods going to and fro behind.  No electronics working on there or on Stix in the afternoon but the butts lads were doing a Stirling job.   Personally I think the Hot Rod Hayride is a great weekend, no trouble and plenty of interest.

Glad it worked out for you.  

Just an observation, although Vortex do have great customer service, there's an awful lot of examples of people needing to fall back on it.

Make them cheap and fix the ones that fail ??  I had a new PST Viper FFP and the tracking was rubbish - basic click value (1/4 moa) was out and backlash in the mechanism was also poor.  Shooting a box target test was very poor indeed.

To contrast my Delta Stryker is cock-on mechanically and a similar price point.  I just hope it doesn't fail ! 😂

I have a question for those that know please (RFD) regarding marking firearms when changing barrels (either switch barrel or replacement):

Guide to Firearms Licensing 2022:     27.12 Firearms, including any relevant (essential) component parts (whether part of a firearm or not), imported into the UK must have markings which are clear, permanent and visible. Firearms and relevant component parts (barrel, frame, receiver (including upper and lower receivers), slide, cylinder, bolt or breech block manufactured on or after 1 January 1900 must be marked with: • Name of manufacturer or brand; • Country or place of manufacture; • Serial number; • Year of manufacture (if not part of the serial number); and • Model, where feasible.

How do the Police manage serial number recording when a receiver and barrels could have different numbers ?

Not legal to sell in UK or EU.  Nothing to do with climate change.

It's REACH regs and some US powder companies didn't consider compliance to me worth their effort:

https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/about.htm

There's better alternatives to Varget that are available (well, apart from the current supply problems due to Vlad the Mad)

The "informed" view for bolt actions is full length size but to a lesser extent than going back to SAAMI/CIP dimensions.  Knocking back the fire formed shoulder by .002"  seems to be preferred by some (and me).  The theory is that by sizing as described, the cases will all be exactly the same as opposed to fire-formed where small differences could be present and therefore small volume and, subsequently,  pressure variations.

I think for me, switching from fire-formed/neck sizing to knocking back 2' and neck sizing with a bushing die (no button) has given me a step improvement in grouping.

46 minutes ago, nicklock said:

I did not. Especially if it's iron-y on your hip - where I do not know this gentleman and I was not there at the time, Officer.

😁

1 hour ago, nicklock said:

Carrying - US terminology for having a firearm about or near to one's person. cf "Open carry" and "Concealed carry", there are a raft of regulations varying on a state-by-state basis as to what is allowed.

I guess you didn't catch my irony...   😏

7 hours ago, gunfantic said:

Bonafide collectors are not allowed to carry too?

Allowed to carry ?  🤔 🙄

Our club has just been offered butts markers for 29th on Stix at no additional cost due to electronics failures requiring parts on back-order

as you say, probably the back light is buggered.  Probably LED, either that or the driver circuit's packed up.  Probably an easy fix for a tech.

2 hours ago, gunfantic said:

Depends on where I’m going that day. However, I have it on me most of times. I don’t feel there is a threat around every corner, but bad things don’t only happen when you are looking out for them. They happen in transitional spaces. Getting out of the car, going in or out of a building, etc.

From your comment you appear to be an American.  You're at crossed purposes here - no one is allowed any form of weapon let alone a firearm for personal defence in UK - and thank goodness that's the case.

We have firearms licensing in the UK that requires applicants to have various 'good reasons' to own a firearm, part of the justification is that the holder uses the firearm and it's not just held "because I want one" (apart from bona-fide collectors).  Target shooters should be active in the sport of target shooting if they are to retain their guns

mmmmm, gun porn 😉😁

To me the only value in rich folk buying ridiculously expensive rifles (or anything else)  is it employs crafts people  - and to me they're the one's deserving of respect.  Certainly not the buyers - I bet you agree

45 minutes ago, Geezedtee said:

Public Liability Insurance, I use Lycetts which comes as standard with membership of the National Gamekeepers Organisation.

Additionally a Risk Assessment. Particularly if there are security patrols or members of staff present when you attend site to shoot. 

As above plus you should exchange hazards and risk information with the commercial owners/agents.  For example they need to tell you their hazards that you may be exposed to - in writing.

Unfortunately the Hornady manual doesn't appear on their website for free!  Bit of a bummer really

There's another HO consultation worth reading through and maybe responding.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/firearms-licensing-recommendations-for-changes/firearms-licensing-a-consultation-on-recommendations-for-changes-made-to-the-home-office-accessible?fbclid=IwAR0vtzkTj0zUAlG6aksg0LcjQFHyHi9n9RFBvE_rUYFYexCpwzVOql2znlA

14 minutes ago, Simonc65 said:

On Sunday I posted this"-

 

Consensus reply was 10 MOA is correct for my bullet/speed/distance so check scope as it is likely duff.

Today I was able to make it to a 100y range and do a tracking test, rifle firmly supported in my benchrest front rest and rear bag, with a target at 100yards with clear 1 inch boxes on it.

Zoomed in to 60x, each 8 clicks of adjustment on the scope moved it 1 inch on target, did this for a total of 32 clicks up and down, moving it 4 inches in total.

The GE scope has 1/8th MOA adjustments, so it seems it is fine.

Thoughts ?

 

Initial thoughts:  Why only check ± 4moa range?  I would have optically centred, bore-sighted and then check out the full range of elevation ±27.5 moa.  Then from a bore sighted zero find out what my shot zero is to confirm the 'starting position' for elevation - ie identify how much up elevation adjustment you have given 20moa rail.  If all looks good then shoot again at 300/600

The interweb is the Wild West;  I run our club website and our automated filters block literally thousands of attacks weekly emanating from Bots in USA, China, Russia, Turkey in the main but of course that's easily disguised IP routing

1 hour ago, Simonc65 said:

Looking for wisdom or someone that might have seen the same thing.
I’m shooting a Dolphin F/TR in 308, with a Vortex Golden Eagle (MOA) on a 20 MOA rail.
I’m using Berger 185 Jug and 200.2x bullets.
Pushing them out at 2,610 & 2,600 respectively.
I’m sighted in at 300 yards, putting all the data into a ballistic calculator to get me to 600 yards it says I need to come up 10 MOA.

The problem is this doesn’t even get me onto the target, to get me there I have to put another 10 MOA on, so a total of 20 MOA. The scope is 1/8th click, I’m putting on 174 clicks (174/8= 21.75 MOA) to get me on the paper.

I’m not a total Muppet, I’ve done this same adjustment on my 260Rem, 338 LM and 223 and the Ballistic calculator always gets me on the paper.
I’m using StrelokPro & Ballistic AE, both give similar adjustments.

I'm thinking either the Berger BC’s are way of, or my scope is funky (when I’m on target I’m getting sub 0.5 MOA groups)

Thoughts ?

I have a 20 MOA rail on my .308, zero'ed at 100yds and no problems shooting jugs out to any distance.

The GE scope has 55 MOA elevation and you need about 5 MOA come-up from 100yds to 300yds.  A come-up of 10MOA from 300yds to 600yds is about right for a 185 Jug.

Did you bore-sight the scope?  If you set the scope at optical zero you have ±27.5 MOA adjustment but with a 20 MOA rail you should be 7.5 MOA up from the very bottom of the scope range so if you zero at 300yds you should be well in the adjustment range.

Sounds like a faulty scope or a loose turret ?