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20 minutes ago, Richiew said:

Spuhr mounts say 2.5NM for scope bolts and 4.5NM for the mount to pic rail .

Not sure about others makes but it’ll be a decent starting point for the rail tension . Scope tension may vary make to make as spuhr has a six bolt clamp compared to the normal 4 bolt design s . 
cheers

I think 4.5 Nm is very tight.  I think you refer to the clamp bolts onto the pic rail where in fact the OP asks for rail to action screws.

Typical 6-48x1/4" Torx 10 would be 15~18 inch pounds force or 2Nm with loctite.

Not tight enough will result in a loose scope, easily fixed however over tight may result in an expensive repair.

all you need now is some Hornady LEVERevolution full power zombie stoppers,  give yer' shoulder a work out 😁

Watch the eyebrow!

6 minutes ago, Frederick said:

I haven't found any pieces , probably ground into dust ?

It came from SA , has a replacement bolt .

I thought bolt heads were made of white cast iron ? The broken area is grey coloured , I'm not sure if white cast actually appears greyish or whitish ?

SMLE bolt heads were allegedly white cast iron,  I think No.4 would be steel, metallurgy had moved on from turn of the century Victorian practice.

ttt

NOW SOLD

I have a set of Parker-Hale sights for a small-bore rifle (BSA or similar) for sale.  I'm selling as one lot at the moment.

Fore-sight  Type FS22A with two inserts

Rear-sight  Type PH17 (Vernier windage and elevation)

Eye Piece  Type PH59  (four indexable apertures)

Fore-sight element carrier (screws to butt)

All in very good and fully functioning condition.  Includes mounting screws

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Well done Ralph, always very rewarding to see time and effort pay off.

With regard to butts markers, our club was at Bisley last Saturday on Century in the morning and Stix in the afternoon.  The markers were faultless and quick,  very pleased compared to the month previously with the debacle of the non-functioning electronics.  We of course thanked our markers, they need to know they've done a good job.

25 minutes ago, martin_b said:

“ A friend” was down as Bisley this AM to 300Y zero his new 300PRC rifle. Did the HME at the zero range with no problem, then hotfooted it of to Century, ( technically he should be WFH from 9pm) 
The electronics targets are working there but the display is small tablet.  Zoom in because he knows he’s close. Fire off a round, elevation close but windage wrong, make adjustments, WTF, the wind must be gusty, more adjustments, more head scratching. 6 rounds fired Then light bulb moment, zoom out, reading glasses on, rotate tablet 90 degrees, undo most of the previous adjustments, V Bull.
Moral of the story, don’t rush it!  Thanks God i wasnt with my Club!
 

😂.   I hope "your friend" has got over it!  

58 minutes ago, snakeman said:

Shot just the 2 boxes of these back end of last year out of a bog-standard factory T3 Super Varmint 24"...guessing you're using the same tube??

42.9 of Swiss-50 proved to be the accuracy load for me....Wasn't an enjoyable experience though as I feel the T3x factory platform is too light - recoil (for me on that platform) was a bitch and I would safely say even of I was given a box of the 185's again I would most kindly pass them on to someone else, to shoot out of a heavier/stable platform

ATB

Not the same rifle,  I have an ORSIS which is reasonably heavy and manages recoil just fine.  I shoot 185 regularly but I'm keen to try an RS alternative as it's so good in my Creedmoor 

20 minutes ago, Richiew said:

BTW 46 g of n150 was a smidge too much with hard bolt lift on a hot sunny day and flattened primers .

 Cheers 

I already have a good load for N150 with 185gr Jugs loaded longer than CIP;  43.0gr.  Perfect at 1000yd.

46gr is over the Viht recommended max. I have no need to explore the next node.

You mention RS62 but that's a lot slower than N150.  Did you mean RS52 ?

5 minutes ago, martin_b said:

I was there early, before 8am when i had my walk around and the smell was pretty intense next to some cars, did you see the rat look '32 coupe? infront of the corner classroom? Asking £75K!

Missed that one!  Mad.  I bet similar can be got in the USA and shipped for less.

Hi

I'm thinking of trying RS powder for 185gr Bergers (if I can get any).  I use RS62 in my 6.5CM with 144gr Berger Hybrids and it works really well.

I have a 1:11 24" barrel, Lapua large primer brass, CCI BR2 primers.  I have a good load with Viht N150 but  any recommendations re RS50 and/or RS52?

Usual caveat applied re working up etc etc.

14 minutes ago, martin_b said:

I had a good look round,  What was slightly worrying was the smell of petrol that seemed to be everwhere, and some of the For Sale ad's seem to have IMHO rather optimisitc prices!

But then american cars aren't my thing..

Yes, I noticed the petrol smell, I put it down to poor tuning and inefficient engines running overly rich.  Yes, £25k for a scabby wreck!  Oh well us poor Northerners must get by with an' old bike and whippet

21 hours ago, dorg said:

I am staying in my caravan there this weekend, It,s a fabulous atmosphere, Bisley just seems alive , no trouble its all middle aged men and young families , cars are great and the live music makes a good night out.

I was there Friday and Saturday,  it was a very busy but fun.  I will however try and avoid it in future, too much beer and lack of moral fibre on my behalf 😃

On 7/29/2022 at 9:03 AM, Artiglio said:

Would seem odd if an affiliated club member with an SSC can’t use the zero range, not least because it’s effectively a safety / good practice issue. Given that if you miss the board twice you should retire from the point and check your zero , additionally the NRA blames lots of the problems with electronics on those whose zero is insufficient to hit the aiming area and damage occurs to the frame/electronics on occasion.

The only reason i can see is that the club hasn’t booked the zero range and had it allocated by the NRA and as such when the club signs in they’ve not effectively declared they’ll have an RCO available  at the zero range. 

I clarified this with the range office on Friday. Our chap being turned away was a misunderstanding.  As long as an affiliated member's club has a range booking on that day (or next day if competing in an organised comp), then they can use the zero range.  If they do not have an SCC then they must be supervised by another club member with SCC for the same category of firearm.

I'm going tomorrow and Saturday, look forward to the shooting and the cars

28 minutes ago, Re-Pete said:

So you can turn up to shoot as a member of an affiliated club, discover that for some reason or other your rifle has lost zero, and then not be able to use the zero range?

I bet that would go down well if you'd just driven 100mls to get there..........

Pete

 

We had that problem,  one of our SCC affiliate members was turned down from going to the zero range alone.  Of course, a NRA personal member could take the gun along, as we did.

Going back to your original question, a 1:12 twist is going to struggle to stabilise a 185gr bullet.

As far as Lapua Scenar 185gr being 'a dog' they work fine at 600yds and as 155gr are difficult to find, and more expensive, I'll take those hounds for a walk at middling distances, and save the Berger 185gr jugs for 1000yds. (thanks CG for selling me Unicorn Poo at a very fair price).

3 hours ago, Re-Pete said:

nCognitos said: "I used to book range time at Bisley through my club and shoot on my own, but I did have an SCC.  If I didn't have an SCC then I would need to have been under Club RCO supervision.

I'm not sure if you can still do that. I think the rules changed a while back.

Pete

 

My NRA affiliated club pays for a Bisley card (£40) which allows us to book the ranges for club events.  We book a couple of lanes and then provide the qualified RCO cover for our group which includes SCC holders and non-SCC holders (who have to be 1:1 supervised by an SCC holder who may or may not also be an RCO).  We can't use the zero range unless we also happen to be an NRA personal member (as was our experience last month).  My understanding is that only club events can be booked as such and that doesn't include for a "solo shooter club event" to the best of my knowledge.  Certainly an affiliated club member can't just book a lane, it has to be a club officer on behalf of the club.

NRA Rules: 108a require an RO to supervise a shooting party - at Bisley that has to be an NRA qualified RCO.  The fact that I can book a lane, sign in and 'crack on' alone as a personal NRA member and SCC holder doesn't read across to affiliated club events apparently...

1 minute ago, martin_b said:

Guy's a word of caution, we've had two resent club sessions that were supposed to be electronic one at 900 one at 1000, moved onto "manual" and to be honest the quality of the markers has been abysmal.  Hopefully in your case mid week, might mean you get the more professional guys, but the weekend crew are variable to say the least.  

We're at Bisley on Saturday and we have been told it will be "manual" due to electronic target maintenance 

21 minutes ago, Re-Pete said:

Individual full members of the NRA, with a valid SCC, can book a target and shoot solo at Bisley if they wish........I'm one of them.

AFAIK, members of affiliated clubs can only shoot if the booking is made by an official of their club, rather than any individual member, and there would need to be more than one member present for it to qualify as a club booking.

Then again, I may be wrong...

Pete

No, you are correct,  clubs book and must then supervise their members with at least one qualified RCO.

We have done and will continue to book for our club

43 minutes ago, Dellboy said:

if  you think its correct or not the insurance cover seems to require it

I don't think that's correct, where do you have that info from ?  I have the insurance documents for my club and I know what's covered and what limitations and requirements.  If you have further info I would be grateful and will review with the broker

9 hours ago, nCognitos said:

Just had this same issue come up at Sywell, where there is an expectation that an RCO is present, fortunately the NSRA RCO course is a one day affair and it looks like all the members who shoot solo at Sywell will need to do it.  At the same time it was also said that if anyone was using a magazine with their rifle, they would need to be RCO qualified or supervised but this got stomped on pretty quickly.

This is Bisley, where the nice gentleman in the red shirt marked Range Safety, drives around the site all session in his white pick-up truck.  It's also pretty rare that you would be the only shooter on a range, though it has happened, I've had the whole of Century to myself on a rare occasion.

I think its more of an issue somewhere like Sywell, where you could be completely alone on site.  I think the logic would be someone who has got the RCO badge would be less likely to do something dumb.

I have mixed feelings, while I am competent to shoot on my own, I prefer there to be someone else on site.  Also, I believe my NRA insurance would cover me, even at a NSRA range however there are the range regulations to consider.

It's very sensible for there to be a second person with a shooter for safety sake, it doesn't need to be an RCO or even another shooter.

With regard to training "everyone" to be an RCO - well that's a unique response!  

3 hours ago, Dellboy said:

so would the processes included certified range officers  as speaking to an insurance provider linked to the NSRA  no qualified range officer no cover  ..

That's not correct.  The obvious example is shooting at Bisley as an NRA member with an SCC.  Book the lane and crack on - you act as your own RCO.

It's perfectly acceptable to allow competent persons to shoot without an RCO provided that the club has organised to do that.  We have our own club competence card for unsupervised ranges, it requires a test of competence and sufficient observation to be comfortable with issuing the card and we have documentary evidence of the assessment.  We could use the NRA SCC to do the same but we choose to do our process to keep it in-house.  We do issue SCC for members that visit other ranges or shoot in competitions etc - again we have records and proof of assessment (as required by NRA).

9 minutes ago, Dellboy said:

So the individual and the range officer of the club would be held resposible  or the chairman of the club ?  We introduced a written record of amunition being used  with home lods checked prior to firing and after firing two home loads through a chronograph  ,more to prove a point to the amatuer reloaders , unfortunately the club secetary deams it a waste of time ...

"Held responsible"  what does that imply ?  Club officers are insured if they're affiliated to the NRA, they have "professional indemnity".  If clubs have processes and follow them, and officers make considered and sensible decisions, then they are covered.  Clubs failing to have and follow processes do lay themselves open to third party claims but I believe as long as they have not been negligent they may be reassured by having insurance.  As in all things, there is risk.  Having processes, training and keeping records goes a long way to both manage risk down and to underpin any defence should things go wrong.