Catch-22

Owned an M2 practical (9+1) and it was a joy to shoot. Mild recoil and simply ate everything I fed it - very very reliable. The only issue I had was the loading gate was very sharp and the loading gate spring was stiff, so would often bite your fingers if speed loading under time stress. But that can be worked out with aftermarket springs and loading gate. Ive used a friends M3 and both he and I just struggled to get on with it. Being both pump and semi-auto, we'd often get confused over what to do, either pump or rack the bolt, when under time induced stress. I would agree with Baldie's point about trying Both guns. But if it were me, I'd choose either a pump or semi-auto...not a hybrid. Yes you can get used to it with enough training, but I would say it's just more habits you need to learn and get your head around.

As have I - lovely people to deal with!

Auto throw & auto trickler combo shipped came to £325. Can't remember what VAT/Duty came to. Probably around £360 all in. A&D scales are around £560.

MIL/MIL I prefer metric as I find it's easier for conversion tables, quickly referencing in drop sheets (dope cards) and just plain remembering whole numbers. Using the fine hash marks on the H2CMR on the S&B 5x25-56 FFP, I'm able to spot the 'splash' or even bullet holes then use the reticle to accurately measure the number of MILs needed to correct the shot. No guess work, no placing the scope on a certain power or doing silly mathematic conversions. Count the MILs and dial them. Only slight downside is 1cm clicks (@100m) can be slightly too course for fine adjustments on targets at distance. But for me and my non F class or competitive shooting, it suits me just fine.

$120 for a 3 round short action mag!!! F***k me! 😳

Thank you bud! 👍

Well I stand corrected. Well I wish him good luck finding something to suit. Imho, that's ALWAYS been the downside to the .260.

Dunno - didn't think R700's come with detachable mags, only internal box mags (with floor plate) or AICS type mags. As I understood from the OPs post, they wanted a detachable mag that wasn't AICS type. Or did I miss something?

Here you go. Granted it's 4 rounds, not 3, but likely to be as good as it gets. The stainless unticks the tacticool look for you too. Every commie sniper will see you rolling around in the undergrowth with this thing. Only question will be getting it into the UK. Likely you'll need to ask an RFD / gunsmith to place one for you on their export license as I think it'll be classified as ITAR restricted. https://www.kelbly.com/shooting-accessories/remington-700-short-action-non-magnum-4-round-magazine

Will they cut the pattern if you supply a template? According to their website they only cut the foam to rectangles, not the individual cutouts for all the bits that go into the foam. Or do they do that too?

I could be in the market for the same. Tag for future reference.

Apologies - overlooked the '2' in your comment.

I LOVE the H2CMR on my 5-25x56. Personally I think it's far more useful than either the MSR or older P4L. The H2CMR with its .2MIL hashmarks make precise hold overs, or wind correction calls at distance, way way easier and precise. The MSR, P4L and others with the courser .5MIL hashes just make it more of a guessing game!

Tell me about it. It'll be the importers and distributors who will price most shooters out of the sport IMHO. Ive not bought bullets from a UK distributor for years due to the insane markups imposed. Funny that only just across the channel prices are considerably cheaper than than here, even when all taxes and shipping are paid as you note. Interestingly I saw various stores in the US having end of year clear outs. For example Lapua Scenar 185g .30 cal going for $25/£19 a box, or 139g 6.5mm for $28/£22 a box. You'd NEVER, EVER, EVER see that in the UK. I know we don't have the volume of shooters here but even so...UK prices are a joke!

Nice Terry! Yeah I exported everything myself for my 6.5x47 / .338 Norma Mag switch barrel, including 4x barrels, breaks, brass etc. PBS did all the handling too. Built by a UK smith though. Looks great - should bring a big smile to your face!

@terryh Interesting - so you had the rifle custom built State side and shipped across? Did you have a number of barrels chambered up at the same time? When it arrives, will you be able to take delivery straight away or will it need to go via a nominated RFD to proof?

I think it purely comes down to each Firearms Licensing Department and THEIR interpretation of what's suitable or not. Often there's no rhyme nor reason to it. I was told by Gwent police to put in for deer but also state 'all other quarry and vermin'. In addition to deer it would include fox, rabbits, crows etc. The calibre listed would therefore cover everything up to and including deer.

Clearly you've missed the point. The point is; your question is the same question that's been asked many many times before. There is no 'this is THE best' because if there was there wouldn't be any need for more people to ask the same question over and over again. In all reality, there is no one definitive best of the lot. If you're hoping for a definitive clear cut answer to one over the others...you're not gonna get it. However, be rest assured that with any of the cited options you'll be laughing all the way out to 1000m+ with the ease by which you're doing it. If you already feel there is or are leaning towards a choice (you've said a few times before that the 6.5 CM appeals) then more power to you...go get it and enjoy.

I think the reality is...pick one, shoot it, master it and enjoy it. Any of the above will suit your middle/long range needs, especially transitioning from a .223. And any of them will do it to the levels of accuracy (and ease of reloading) that 99% of shooters can realistically achieve - myself included.

Pete...I'd take a look at all the Scandinavian target shooting disciplines. Short, medium and long range precision stuff, mostly using the excellent Sauer 200 SRT chambered in 6.5x55. Granted it's THEIR local calibre, but if it ain't broke... In a modern rifle with good Lapua brass, modern powders and 130-140g+ bullets, you'll gain better velocity than the 6.5x47 and 6.5 Creedmoor, and be on par with the .260rem. It is an inherently good design and forgiving to load for and shoot. The reason for the Creedmoor's success is partly marketing (just such s huge push behind it by Hornady) and the fact that it does maximise what can be done in a short action IMHO. The 6.5x47 is a wonderful round (I currently load for it myself) but unless you go with one of the few off the shelf rifles (like Sabatti) your only other option is the semi/full custom route. The .260, with long bullets seated out of the powder column, won't really work in a short action magazine. You'll end up having to seat bullets into the powder column or single load. The 6.5x55 is really an intermediate action length...too long for s true short action...so if you do go with the SWEDE, you'll need a medium/long action. Each has their pros and cons and it's up to you to see which one fits the bill best - long or short action, single feed or magazine fed, off the shelf or semi/full custom etc...Not suggesting the SWEDE is the best of the bunch (not much between them all tbh) but certainly not to be discounted.

I'd echo looking deeper at your technique. If you admit you're not comfortable and maintaining a solid and repeatable position, shot to shot, it will show up on target. Being able to shoot consistently small groups can only be done with a good technique - regardless of the load. As stated above, ask a fellow shooter, ideally someone proven to consistently shoot very small groups, to watch and critique your technique and offer some pointers. While you're about it, I'd maybe even give them a box of ammunition and ask them to shoot some groups. Having another shooter behind your gun may help to rule out equipment issues and highlight technique instead. Cheaper and quicker than replacing a scope, stock, barrel etc. Personally, I've seen this happen to someone. They'd spend upwards of £2k on a new AR-15 but couldn't get it to shoot better than 3" at 100m. Frustrated, he asked a couple of us to have a go. All managed to put our 10 round groups into around 0.5", with the best two 5 shot groups being under 0.2". The issue - he was using a monopod (waste of time those!) and was trying to 'free recoil' the rifle, rather than have it seated firmly in his shoulder. Once he addressed these two points, he immediately went on to shoot 0.5-0.7" groups.

I'd echo what Bradders said; clean and try again once you've checked things like your scope mounts. If you get a chance, try first at 100-300m to see how it's grouping. That should minimise any effects the wind might be having. If all looks good, then push out further to 600m. If 100-300m is still like a shotgun, and you've squared away all your screws & fastenings, then take it to a good rifle smith to take a professional look.

Sure, I understand that but why the 6.5PRS and not the 7WSM, 6.5SAUM, 7SAUM, considering there's virtually no difference between them. If people think it truly offers something different and want it...great. Personally I think it's just yet another pointless cartridge by a manufacturer trying to cash in on all the hype and growth around the PRS scene.

Interesting critique of the 6.5 PRC on Accurate shooter a while back. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2017/10/new-hornady-6-5-prc-precision-rifle-cartridge/ The main criticism is that it offers only marginal performance over a 6.5 Creedmoor or .260rem. It's basically on par with a 6.5-284 which doesn't require a Magnum bolt face and uses Lapua brass which is infinitely better than Hornadys. It also offers performance akin to other established magnums, such as the 7WSM and 6.5SAUM...so it's not really doing anything new. It will be a barrel burner though - maybe expect between 1,000 to 1,500 rounds at full whack before it's toast. But it is new and shiny...it may prove to be more accurate or easier to tune than the rest. Only one way to find out perhaps?!?

The 140g Hornady ELD X would be a great all round bullet for both target and culling. However all of Hornadys bullets are now crazy silly $$$. If you don't want to be splashing out on the ELD x you might consider having two loads. Use the ELD x (or SST as noted by another poster, which is an excellent hunting bullet) for culling and use something like the much cheaper but equally excellent 139g Scenar for long range gong bashing.