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I too use the sporter and it’s brilliant. I cannot fault it for giving me all the key info I need (ES/SD/avg velocity over 5...or is it 10??....shot string). It gives you all you need to layer with your Kestral data and feed into your ballistic silver and data book. Excellent for the money, has the fundamentals you need....without all the extra bells and whistles (unnecessary for my needs). The only negative is the crappy box it comes in. But that is a very minor point and has nothing to do with the function or quality of the magnetospeed itself.

Ha - it's all fun & games. Booooom 💥

Thanks chaps! Ive read a lot that when using HbN, it's necessary to go a full grain, sometimes even more, to match non HbN velocity & pressure. i actually think there's a higher node for both N140 and RS62. For me, whilst the N140 load looks very stable, 2739fps is just too slow. I can see both the groups and ES/SD numbers shrink and grow. I think that if I go a charge or two higher, I'll break into another nice higher node. Worth a shot at least 😋 And I expect to maybe get up to 39.1gn, possibly even 39.4gn with N140. I'm also definitely keen to squeeze more RS62 into the case because it was both a lovely powder to work with and see shoot on paper. I'm gonna see if I can fit 42.5gns...maybe even upto 43.0gns in there (obviously working up in 0.3gns a time, looking for pressure. That might get me to around 2900fps. Ill give it a whirl then try at distance (600m and 1000m) then report back at somepoint. But next up will be RS80 and Ramshot Mag in the big .338 NM boomer barrel. 💪💥

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I managed to get out and conduct some initial load Dev with this new 6.5x47 26" Bartlein 5r barrel (MTU contour). Barrel was swabbed with a HbN slurry a couple of hours before shooting. All bullets also coated with HbN. I definitely noticed the velocity lower than a previous 24" barrel I had, so the HbN is certainly acting as a lubricant. All shot at 100m inside a tunnel to minimise wind influence. All groups are 5x groups. Velocity, ES & SD captured using a Magnetospeed with bare muzzle (no brake or moddy). All shot off a bench with bipod and rear bean bag. All loads used new Lapua brass, sized with Whidden F/L die, expander mandrel (giving approx 0.02" neck tension), KVB223m Murom SR Magnum primers and 123g Scenar loaded to around 0.015" off the lands. Everything loaded using my Autotrickler/Autothrow on an A&D FX120i, holding to 0.02gn accuracy. All loads shot in same session, with no 'run in' or cleaning inbetween. 1st up - Viht N140 (I had good results with this previously). 1. 37.0gn // mv: 2776 // ES: 24 // SD: 10 2. 37.3gn // mv: 2793 // ES: 4 // SD: 1 3. 37.6gn // mv: 2809 // ES: 14 // SD: 6 4. 37.9gn // mv: 2834 // ES: 20 // SD: 8 5. 38.2gn // mv: 2851 // ES: 30 // SD: 10 6. 38.5gn // mv: 2867 // ES: 10 // SD: 3 7. 38.8gn // mv: 2904 // ES: 16 // SD: 6 2nd up - RS52 (wanted to give it ago) 1. 36.3gn // mv: 2772 // ES: 24 // SD: 10 2. 36.6gn // mv: 2806 // ES: 30 // SD: 12 3. 36.9gn // mv: 2807 // ES: 20 // SD: 9 4. 37.2gn // mv: 2823 // ES: 28 // SD: 12 5. 37.5gn // mv: 2841 // ES: 59 // SD: 24 6. 37.8gn // mv: 2865 // ES: 28 // SD: 12 7. 38.1gn // mv: 2885 // ES: 26 // SD: 10 3rd up - RS62 (also wanted to give it ago) 1. 40.3gn // mv: 2671 // ES: 28 // SD: 12 2. 40.6gn // mv: 2706 // ES: 23 // SD: 9 3. 40.9gn // mv: 2725 // ES: 22 // SD: 8 4. 41.2gn // mv: 2744 // ES: 21 // SD: 8 5. 41.5gn // mv: 2770 // ES: 18 // SD: 8 6. 41.8gn // mv: 2789 // ES: 12 // SD: 4 Things I found: - no pressure found at all with any loads. The hot load in my previous barrel was 38.4gn N140, giving 2930fps. With this HbN coated bore, I managed to go to 38.8gn N140, mv of 2904fps with zero pressure. So velocity is down (due to HbN coating) so definitely need to up my charges next time. - N140 gave both good velocity and groups as experienced in previous barrel proving to me that it is a very good powder for this cartridge - N140 and RS62 gave some good ES & SD consistency, especially as powder charges & velocities increased - RS52 was definitely a disappointment, both ES/SD and also group size - I noticed some fractional delayed ignition only with RS52. A few times I pulled the trigger, heard a feint 'pop' followed very quickly by 'bang'. Primers all from the same batch, no issues with firing pin, no issues experienced with any other load or powder. I can only put it down to the powder itself - I actually didn't like the recoil impulse with RS52, noticeably sharper and less predicable. N140 and RS62 much better in this regard. - RS52 was difficult to meter through the Autotrickler/throw scales, much more so than N140 or RS62. - definitely need to improve my shooting position & stability, which has shown itself in vertical stringing and the odd flyer in a few of the groups. Purely my fault, definitely need to tweak some of the configuration, namely a bit too much cant in the buttstock. - cleaning afterwards was 3 dry patches through the bore. The first patch was a little sooty but no where near as bad as when shooting a bore without HbN. The next two patches were almost clean coming out. Looking through the crown showed no signs of coppering, just some HbN residue in the grooves. - Pete Walker did a Stirling job with chambering. Sadly I didn't take a pic of the crown but it had a beautiful, even 5 spoke 'star' showing the even cut made. Lovely job! Next job will be to test some higher charges, though I'm gonna have trouble fitting more RS62 into the case. I think it's better suited to a heavier bullet to generate better velocity, but worth a go as it's a v. good powder! If I can get reach 2900fps with RS62 then great, otherwise it is likely that I'll stick with N140 as the velocity is there, its a very consistent powder and groups are good.

Hi George. Sorry - collection only. I don't have a large enough box, but if I did it would likely cost at least a tenner itself. Cheers

12x pigeon shells (hollow and stackable as per photos) 5x full size pigeon decoys (hollow with hole underneath for sticks or poles) 1x netting bag with rucksack straps for carrying everything SOLD Collection from Newport only please.

Owned an M2 practical (9+1) and it was a joy to shoot. Mild recoil and simply ate everything I fed it - very very reliable. The only issue I had was the loading gate was very sharp and the loading gate spring was stiff, so would often bite your fingers if speed loading under time stress. But that can be worked out with aftermarket springs and loading gate. Ive used a friends M3 and both he and I just struggled to get on with it. Being both pump and semi-auto, we'd often get confused over what to do, either pump or rack the bolt, when under time induced stress. I would agree with Baldie's point about trying Both guns. But if it were me, I'd choose either a pump or semi-auto...not a hybrid. Yes you can get used to it with enough training, but I would say it's just more habits you need to learn and get your head around.

As have I - lovely people to deal with!

Auto throw & auto trickler combo shipped came to £325. Can't remember what VAT/Duty came to. Probably around £360 all in. A&D scales are around £560.

MIL/MIL I prefer metric as I find it's easier for conversion tables, quickly referencing in drop sheets (dope cards) and just plain remembering whole numbers. Using the fine hash marks on the H2CMR on the S&B 5x25-56 FFP, I'm able to spot the 'splash' or even bullet holes then use the reticle to accurately measure the number of MILs needed to correct the shot. No guess work, no placing the scope on a certain power or doing silly mathematic conversions. Count the MILs and dial them. Only slight downside is 1cm clicks (@100m) can be slightly too course for fine adjustments on targets at distance. But for me and my non F class or competitive shooting, it suits me just fine.

$120 for a 3 round short action mag!!! F***k me! 😳

Thank you bud! 👍

Well I stand corrected. Well I wish him good luck finding something to suit. Imho, that's ALWAYS been the downside to the .260.

Dunno - didn't think R700's come with detachable mags, only internal box mags (with floor plate) or AICS type mags. As I understood from the OPs post, they wanted a detachable mag that wasn't AICS type. Or did I miss something?

Here you go. Granted it's 4 rounds, not 3, but likely to be as good as it gets. The stainless unticks the tacticool look for you too. Every commie sniper will see you rolling around in the undergrowth with this thing. Only question will be getting it into the UK. Likely you'll need to ask an RFD / gunsmith to place one for you on their export license as I think it'll be classified as ITAR restricted. https://www.kelbly.com/shooting-accessories/remington-700-short-action-non-magnum-4-round-magazine

Will they cut the pattern if you supply a template? According to their website they only cut the foam to rectangles, not the individual cutouts for all the bits that go into the foam. Or do they do that too?

I could be in the market for the same. Tag for future reference.

Apologies - overlooked the '2' in your comment.

I LOVE the H2CMR on my 5-25x56. Personally I think it's far more useful than either the MSR or older P4L. The H2CMR with its .2MIL hashmarks make precise hold overs, or wind correction calls at distance, way way easier and precise. The MSR, P4L and others with the courser .5MIL hashes just make it more of a guessing game!

Tell me about it. It'll be the importers and distributors who will price most shooters out of the sport IMHO. Ive not bought bullets from a UK distributor for years due to the insane markups imposed. Funny that only just across the channel prices are considerably cheaper than than here, even when all taxes and shipping are paid as you note. Interestingly I saw various stores in the US having end of year clear outs. For example Lapua Scenar 185g .30 cal going for $25/£19 a box, or 139g 6.5mm for $28/£22 a box. You'd NEVER, EVER, EVER see that in the UK. I know we don't have the volume of shooters here but even so...UK prices are a joke!

Nice Terry! Yeah I exported everything myself for my 6.5x47 / .338 Norma Mag switch barrel, including 4x barrels, breaks, brass etc. PBS did all the handling too. Built by a UK smith though. Looks great - should bring a big smile to your face!

@terryh Interesting - so you had the rifle custom built State side and shipped across? Did you have a number of barrels chambered up at the same time? When it arrives, will you be able to take delivery straight away or will it need to go via a nominated RFD to proof?

I think it purely comes down to each Firearms Licensing Department and THEIR interpretation of what's suitable or not. Often there's no rhyme nor reason to it. I was told by Gwent police to put in for deer but also state 'all other quarry and vermin'. In addition to deer it would include fox, rabbits, crows etc. The calibre listed would therefore cover everything up to and including deer.