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Oh, we're having a pop at the Welsh now are we boyo? Please don't upset me, I'm a special case isn't it. I'm mixed race (1/2 English - 1/2 Welsh. The perfect combination, the mind of an Englishman & the body of a Welshman!) and have a caravan in the middle of the M4 bridge.

Well said mate!

After saying all that, I went out and got me a Tag Heuer Calibre 16 Link Auto chronograph. I wish I could learn to listen to myself once in a while!! (Nice looking watch though)

I agree about the servicing costs. Many years back (34 to be precise) I was very lucky and came across a Sea Dweller that was going cheap, but it was in a state. It cost quite a lot to have it serviced and put right, but I thought was worth it at the time - then I sold in on about 9 years later after it started losing time, and at quite an alarming rate! (should have kept it though as it'd be worth a LOT of money now). I've recently been looking at a nice 2nd hand Omega Speedmaster, a lovely looking thing, but then I looked into the servicing costs of around £300 - £400 every 4 or 5 years and I had to ask myself if I really needed to have that bill every so often? Eventually, the answer came back, no I didn't! There is always a temptation to own something beautiful & well put together, but like a couple of old flames from my youth, they cost a lot of money to keep going in the long run! Now I make do with a good, reliable old banger that never lets me down. As for watches, well a tough, radio controlled, solar powered job is good enough for me. I don't need to try to impress anymore.

Cheers mate. It surprised the hell out of me, I can tell you!! As for next time....I bet they'll be all over the flipping place

It was the standard NRA "electronic" TR target. I know its not the size of an F-class target, but then its not a "balls out" all singing and dancing F-class rifle either, nor is it meant to be. Crappy conditions, first time out with a stock (ish) savage rifle & barrel, home loads and just trying to get a1K zero =50.7! Whats not to like. I've been shooting TR for a couple of decades with a very good rifle (better than me anyway) and I've not got a better score than that. Happy days

I'm glad Laurie gave the Savage mod 12 LRP in 6.5 CM a mention. Despite the looks of disapproval from some quarters, I got mine some time ago and put into in a MDT ESS chassis, with a good scope (Delta Stryker) and for the first time, I did some proper load development. Well, I took it off to Bisley yesterday 14/10/18 to use it at 1k for the first time. The weather was bloody awful with wind, heavy rain and a misty-murky target to shoot at. I dialled in the "predicted" elevation, made a educated guess at the wind. First shot, dead on the waterline in the 4 ring, adjusted, second shot smack in the "V". Now for the good bit. The following 10 shots all went into the bull (7 into the V). I was astounded at how good this rifle - cartridge combo was, especially as it was hard to concentrate in the conditions! in my honest, humble opinion. GO GET ONE.

Hello Sean. I use 55.5 grains of N165 under a Sierra 183 grn MK (# 1983) and gets it to about 2,800 fps with a 34 inch 1:8 Bartlien courtesy of Mick Maksimovitch @ Dolphin. seated "just" off the lands. A good, accurate round.

Cheers for that Varm, I'll have a go with that and work it from there. I wasn't trying to get high velocities in the first place, I was only working from multiple articles I'd read to give me a ballpark figure to start off, and while "Quickload" is helpful, I've learned from experience not to trust their predictions on loads too faithfully, as they're quite often way off the mark. A morning down on Short Siberia will be needed me thinks!

Thanks for the input fella's, much appreciated. Everything was as it should be re; the rifle, scope etc. It's funny though, as a few days before I had just finished running the barrel in with its original H-S Precision stock and I was using cheapo S&B 140 grain FMJ's, VV N150 loaded low at around 38 grains, and it was shooting o.k. not brilliant, but I was still running the barrel in as mentioned, and so far has only had 60 rounds through it. The brass I was using was once fired Hornady with large primers (using CCI BR primers). As for load development, this was to be a starting point for me. I made up this small batch to see how they would go and take it from there. I agree that the velocities were a tad high (highest recorded was 2829 fps) and should be looking at 2750 or thereabouts, so that'll be easy to take care of. Cheers

Well, I had an interesting morning yesterday at Bisley testing out some homeloads at 300 yds. Loading 44.3 grains of RS62 behind some Nosler 140 RDF's. COAL of 2.815'' (giving a .009 thou jump to lands). The rifle was chucking them all over the bloody board. I was getting velocities from 2791 fps, up to 2829 fps and everywhere in between ( a little too fast I think)! but I've never shot like that before. I know it wasn't me as the other two rifles I took were consistent V & 5 shooters to 300, 900 & 1k all day long, and in excellent conditions too. But here's the rub. Its a new rifle, Savage mod 12 LRP, which is supposed to be a pretty good factory rifle. Mated to a new MDT chassis and very decent scope and is a peach to shoot, so I'm a little perplexed and don't know what to look at first, but suspect it may be down to the ammo?? These bullets have a wide array of opinions from really good to not that great and powder is good for this caliber (6.5 Creed). Any thoughts anyone?

Hello Varm I've been reading your results with interest as I'm trying load development with a new 6.5 CM using the same powder in a 26 '' barrel. what COAL or jump were you using for the scenars? I understand that this round is fond of a bit of jump, say 30 - 40 thou, is that the ballpark area you're in? I'm not going the Scenar route (no pun intended) but thought I'd try the Nosler 140 RDF's in my Savage 12 LRP to see how they perform, but even with a 30 thou jump, this puts them under a 2.800'' COAL (2.796'' actual) while touching the lands obviously makes them 2.826 COAL, so I guess I've possibly got a short throat?

Got mine yesterday and looks really good - very well made. I've not had a chance to use it as yet, but I'm certainly looking forward to it. The 1/8th MOA reticle with illume dot is simplicity itself, so it should be very good for its intended use (long range targets with a 6.5 CM)

Yep, I've just put my name down for one of these (the 5-50 x 56), roll on April !

Hi Phaedra, is this what you reload 6.5 Creed with? If so, what sort of numbers are you getting? (velocities, seating depths / jumps etc etc). I'd like to hear it. Cheers.

Thanks for that insight. I too have looking at this powder for my new 6.5 CM and have been running the data through QL and take the results with a small-ish pinch of salt. A couple of years ago when I was looking up data for my .308 target rifle, using RS52, the predictions were "Waaay off" suggesting I use 2.5 grains over what I actually needed to get to the velocity i was looking for. I have learned from this and now assume that what it suggests is merely a ball park figure, so when running up some test loads I make a large batch, with a wide spread of powder loads, start at the bottom and make accordingly small or large jumps. post up when you have better results

I used to use RS52 under Sierra MK's 155's (2156) and RWS cases in my Target rifle with a 32" 1:12 barrel. I needed to get them up to 3000 fps for 1000 yds on Stickledown. The suggested charge according to Quickload was a tad over 48 grains (I think it was 48.3) I did a velocity test and found them to be running way over 3K, plus I had pressure signs and a hard bolt lift. So, to totally back up what Laurie says, don't trust QL too much! I eventually wound it back to exactly 46 grains before finding the 3000 fps I was looking for, but once there I found it to be a very effective powder for my use.

Just a thought, but perhaps someone has shot them?? Don't moan when there are to many, then moan when they're gone

To alfiemarley's comment. In my part of London we can't move for them & are a pain in the proverbials! Yes, a healthy one is a quite attractive looking animal but destructive - like some people!! Not so the scabby, mangy ones. But despite everything I've tried so far I can't keep them out of my garden & if one ever even looks at my very old moggie....well, it'll be a case of "Goodbye foxy & thanks for playing"