baldie Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Ever watched a video, apart from porn.....which gives an instant boner ? This is a vid from thirdeyetactical, showing his cnc machine making aluminium scope mounts. The owner is a member here, but i,m buggered if i can remember his username. Anyway, i,ve seen his mounts, rails, and mods, and they are the nicest cnc made stuff i,ve seen...absolutely top drawer gear. Used his brakes for some time too. Quality steel, and machines beautifully. http://www.youtube.com/user/Thirdeyetactical Excellent soundtrack too...."the snake" by Al Wilson.....almost had me reaching for the talcum powder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 It's cheating though! what ever happened to a hot fire, an anvil and a big hammer, then I'd be impressed Interesting vid Dave, I have two sets of his rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jma Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Wow, Thats kind of therapeutic to watch, thanks for posting Dave. regards jma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snap_shot Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 i have saw the vid too mate, and been nothing but awestruck, It's some piece of eqiupment..... Good luck to him.... nice not to have to check the net for american stuff, when it can be got closer to home.... Snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG RANGE CAPT Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Great stuff, I look forward to the day when all the components we need are made in the UK. For to long engineering has been destroyed by successive governments, to the point which we have to import most, if not all not all our goods. Well done again. Regards Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Agreed. Great stuff. BTW Dave, you've lost most of the younglings on here with your ref to Talcum Powder Weekender anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 A facinating machine to watch, wouldn't like to have to buy one Aggreed, with sentiments about UK souce of componants - the sooner we have quality sundries available from here the better. Now all we need is a barrel manufacturer that makes CNC controlled twist rates (so we can spec gain twist) a source of recoil lugs, and maybe even a stocks and we are sorted. I note that Third Eye makes rings in 34mm..... Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Seen a set of the 34,s Andy, and very nice. However, most folk want steel on a tactical rifle, which is usually what a 34 mil scope ends up on.....no real logic to it, especially with todays aluminium alloys, but there you go. i think i,ve sold 4 pairs of the TPS steel rings in the last week [ all 34 mil] and at 95 quid they are good value. A steel ring along those lines would sell exceptionally well here. Zaitsev... The young un,s today think they invented raves..... The northern scene is a strong today as it ever was, especially round here......the bones wont do it anymore however. Keep the faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Ronin, with the velocity problems that John Campbell gets with his gain twist,, Id rather have a normal rifled barrel. His velocity gets faster and faster the more he shoots it, imagine what that does for your elevations!!, BTW can I ask what benefit are they over the normal twist barrels? sounds like a gimick to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigstevo Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Really good vid...... love the engraving bit near the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramble basher Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 all that money they and they don't come fitted with a window wiper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG 30 Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 They wanted another two and a half grand for one. I will make do with a rag!! Thanks for all the positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Ronin, with the velocity problems that John Campbell gets with his gain twist,, Id rather have a normal rifled barrel. His velocity gets faster and faster the more he shoots it, imagine what that does for your elevations!!, BTW can I ask what benefit are they over the normal twist barrels? sounds like a gimick to me. Lee we've spoken at length about Gain Twist for the bigger calibres (338 and larger) My interest is with turned solids and large calibres (with GT barrels anyway) I think JC problems may be resolved if (and this is a big if) the barrel ever settles down - although I think he is going back to Broughton for the next barrel on the 7. It would be good to have a UK firm that had the capability to makes such items instead of going abroad and suffering extra fees for export licences, import duties etc etc .. Most of the barrels I use now come from your good selves with only a few exceptions by the way I like to experiment - gain twist was (is) a itch I have yet to get rid of. (along with several other expensive "itches" ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 They wanted another two and a half grand for one. I will make do with a rag!! Thanks for all the positives. Welcome to the site mate. Non shiny 30mm / 34mm rings perhaps.......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I love watching CNC machinery work but personally, I dislike the technology intensely. I graduated from my tool and die making school about the time these multi axis machines started to arrive in the US. I worked in a shop in New Mexico and the last job I had with them was, with the help of two other men, to make a CNC, EDM (electro discharge machine) for cutting formed tool bits for screw machines. As soon as the machine was done we were all let go and a kid with a 6 month computer class certificate took our place. It was sad to scrounge jobs cranking handles in a production line and look around seeing men with decades of precision machining experience punching holes in a plate with a drill press. The worm has turned though. On a news show last spring there was a story about a man who owned a non-cnc shop and 8 of his 9 employees were retiring in 2010 with no replacements in sight. He offered to train school kids at $30/hr if they promised to work for him for a year but he'd had no takers. ~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted December 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Exactly the same in the UK Andrew. If you go to Sheffield these days, which was once the home of engineering, as well as steel, mostly all you find is cnc machines and their young operatives....nowt wrong with that, thats where the work is these days. However, you try and find a man under 60-70 years old, who really knows how to use a centre , or capstan lathe....and they look at you, gone out. The industry hasn,t helped itself however. Firstly, Margaret thatcher did away with apprenticeships, which didn,t help, but those old men wouldn,t train young men who wanted to learn, even when they offered to work for nothing...i know, i was one of them. Most people today are self taught. There is an old workshop near me, with two real old coffin dodgers in it. They are jobbing engineers, and what those two old chaps cant make in there, isn,t worth having. They are absolute geniuses, and i keep a close eye on which one is going to croak/retire first, as there is some truly beautiful machinery in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I got told by Peter Hobson that he will be setting up a CNC rifling machine shop in the UK. Not sure how long it will take him, and also not sure if it was just a dream. I'm just not convinced that gain twist does anything better or makes a bullet shoot any tighter than a normal twist., But I have to admit I have never shot one , I'm however convinced that solid projectiles are the way forward and that barrels now have to be made around them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Exactly the same in the UK Andrew.If you go to Sheffield these days, which was once the home of engineering, as well as steel, mostly all you find is cnc machines and their young operatives....nowt wrong with that, thats where the work is these days. However, you try and find a man under 60-70 years old, who really knows how to use a centre , or capstan lathe....and they look at you, gone out. The industry hasn,t helped itself however. Firstly, Margaret thatcher did away with apprenticeships, which didn,t help, but those old men wouldn,t train young men who wanted to learn, even when they offered to work for nothing...i know, i was one of them. Most people today are self taught. There is an old workshop near me, with two real old coffin dodgers in it. They are jobbing engineers, and what those two old chaps cant make in there, isn,t worth having. They are absolute geniuses, and i keep a close eye on which one is going to croak/retire first, as there is some truly beautiful machinery in there. I was lucky enough to apprentice to a coffin dodger like the ones you describe. They are a dying breed, I'm afraid.~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebell Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I agree there is nothing like setting up with a fag paper and using your brain! I was lucky to be trained with the MOD who always used to work on the basis that everyone needed the basics even though I went on to electronics. Great fun in the engineering workshop learning everythign from first principles, which means that when it all goes pear shaped you can still normally recover. As for investing in plant - why would anyone want to when you get a return over 10+ years of a couple of % and dodgy deals on the money markets can make 20%! No one wants a 'proper job' anyway these days as they involve actual learning and getting dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I was lucky enough to apprentice to a coffin dodger like the ones you describe. They are a dying breed, I'm afraid.~Andrew Me too, 5 years in total then i was set on as an "improver" my instructer was apprenticed with GEC during WWII and hence was not drafted. He worked on turbine shaft line where he would part off nearly all the way through a 30" diameter shaft then climb up on to it and drive hardened steel wedges down the groove with a sledge hammer. untill the pip broke! He was hard but fair and your work was never better then good no matter how good it was. Sadly he is no longer with us, RIP mate. The company i used to work for has gone down the pan simply because all the skilled men have now retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hi Dave, I think you will find that the midlands has always been the centre of engineering in England mate especially Coventry and Birmingham. Things might have been different up your way but we could never get anyone to commit to 4-5 years of training, it simply did not happen everything had to be instant including top wack wages. IMO lads who did their time in the early to mid 80s are among the last skilled men out there. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jma Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 IMO lads who did their time in the early to mid 80s are among the last skilled men out there. Ian. Totally agree, I did my apprenticeship at B.S.C. as a welder starting in 1981, the last intake of apprentices (all disciplines) was 1982. It’s sad how the u.k. engineering skills base has been eroded over the years. These days I work for a well known aerospace company who consider 22yr old graduates and useless managers to be far more valuable than the workforce that produce our saleable engines. They conveniently forget that our skills are the reason anybody gets paid at all. I have never felt as undervalued by a company as i do at the present time, and that feeling is the norm amongst our skilled men. I dread to think what our non-producer v producer ratio must be, probably 5/1 at best. regards jma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebell Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 IMO lads who did their time in the early to mid 80s are among the last skilled men out there. Ian. And Lasses mate Funniest thing ever was when I was turned down for one MOD apprenticship because they didnt have a 'ladies'. I asked what the office staff used and was told that I couldnt use that because I would be dirty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jma Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I asked what the office staff used and was told that I couldnt use that because I would be dirty! Typical them and us situation, a bit like apartheid really. regards jma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Jma, I had always felt undervalued mate and so did all the guys i worked with. Skilled men in britain have never been valued as much as thay should have been. The company where i did my apprenticeship had 35 shop floor workers and 200 office staff and it was defineately them and us. We were looked down upon, they conviniently forgot that it was what we manufactured that payed their wages and kept them in work Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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