SMLE Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 I’ve used 139 scenars in my creedmoor for ages now and have a great and accurate load. However, I’ve been offered 400 Hornady 140g eld’s by a friend at what can only be described as a great price and not wishing to look a gift horse in the mouth, I’m very tempted. I really can’t be bothered with load development again just for this batch of bullets and just wondered if others have seen any significant difference between the two designs (other than dimensions of course) for the same powder and charge. I suspect the change will be small, faster probably and the mutt behind the butt will be the greater variable. 24” barrel, 1:8 twist, RS62 powder, usually shooting 1000 yards. Any real life experience will be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 Stick with the scenars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMLE Posted August 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, No i deer said: Stick with the scenars Kinda what I was thinking tbh........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffo1960 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 What kind of velocity are you getting with the 139 sencars, and COL, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMLE Posted August 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 Averaging 2660 fps and 2.283” measured to the ogive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Al Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 14 hours ago, SMLE said: I’ve used 139 scenars in my creedmoor for ages now and have a great and accurate load. However, I’ve been offered 400 Hornady 140g eld’s by a friend at what can only be described as a great price and not wishing to look a gift horse in the mouth, I’m very tempted. I really can’t be bothered with load development again just for this batch of bullets and just wondered if others have seen any significant difference between the two designs (other than dimensions of course) for the same powder and charge. I suspect the change will be small, faster probably and the mutt behind the butt will be the greater variable. 24” barrel, 1:8 twist, RS62 powder, usually shooting 1000 yards. Any real life experience will be appreciated. You cant change something as significant as the bullet and not have to do the load development again, unless you have a very poor accuracy requirement. Accuracy can come and go between different batches of the same bullet never mind a different bullet entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 I like 140gr amaxs in my 6.5x47 for hunting and my 140gr berger hybrid load for target and by chance has the same powder charge and the same base to ogive measurement and they too shoot superb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffo1960 Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 I have been looking at the Berger Hybrid,are they jump fussy,like the VLDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 10 to 15 jump and they'll shoot like a laser with the right powder charge. From what I've heard you jam the vlds for best accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffo1960 Posted August 2, 2021 Report Share Posted August 2, 2021 I am currently using Hornady 143g ELD-X but they group great, and low sd, but won't mag feed, groups open when I load to mag length Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No i deer Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 The bergers haven't got a ballistic tip so they're likely to be a tiny bit shorter. I think I have loads of room in the AI mag. The 6.5x47 is about 1mm shorter case than the creedmoor. As target bullets go berger are undoubtedly the best copper jacketed bullets made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone gunman Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 On 8/1/2021 at 8:58 AM, SMLE said: I’ve used 139 scenars in my creedmoor for ages now and have a great and accurate load. However, I’ve been offered 400 Hornady 140g eld’s by a friend at what can only be described as a great price and not wishing to look a gift horse in the mouth, I’m very tempted. I really can’t be bothered with load development again just for this batch of bullets and just wondered if others have seen any significant difference between the two designs (other than dimensions of course) for the same powder and charge. I suspect the change will be small, faster probably and the mutt behind the butt will be the greater variable. 24” barrel, 1:8 twist, RS62 powder, usually shooting 1000 yards. Any real life experience will be appreciated. Yes I offered the 140elds but some of the accuracy difference is down to rifling and quality as the Howa and Tikka have same 1in 8 but my Tik Tac A1 6.5 creedmoor will work very well with 147elds sub moa at 1000yds and out to 1 mile no problem but as you know smle the Howa dont like it up em, I use RS70 find the pressures are lower and still get high 26s in velocity with 147elds with loads well within limits just bit better for that long distance shot and less wind disturbance as for the scenars v elds its down to preference and rifle quality dont get me wrong nothing wrong with Howa 1500s but Tikka has the legs for distance and accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 140 elds @ 2800 fps , Sako TRG 6.5 CM like a laser-beam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 however not as good as my Berger 144 hybrids 2795 / sd 2.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffo1960 Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just bought some of Berger 144 hybrids,to try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeffo1960 said: Just bought some of Berger 144 hybrids,to try There very good with really repeatable results, don’t scrimp on your case prep and your get results . After this weekend of load development I have finally settled on 44.4 grn RS 62 with 10 thou jump , with a return of 2805 FPS and SD of 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeffo1960 said: Just bought some of Berger 144 hybrids,to try Excellent choice, I use with RS62, 44gr and 10' jump. 2840fps from 30" 1:8 barrel. Single hole zero at 100yd. 600yd 10 shot group at Bisley last week in the pic. Excellent at 900 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One on top of two Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Popsbengo said: Excellent choice, I use with RS62, 44gr and 10' jump. 2840fps from 30" 1:8 barrel. Single hole zero at 100yd. 600yd 10 shot group at Bisley last week in the pic. Excellent at 900 too. Beautiful . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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