6.5 creedmoor - 139 scenars vs. Hornady 140 eld’s

[SMLE]

I’ve used 139 scenars in my creedmoor for ages now and have a great and accurate load. However, I’ve been offered 400 Hornady 140g eld’s by a friend at what can only be described as a great price and not wishing to look a gift horse in the mouth, I’m very tempted.

I really can’t be bothered with load development again just for this batch of bullets and just wondered if others have seen any significant difference between the two designs (other than dimensions of course) for the same powder and charge. I suspect the change will be small, faster probably and the mutt behind the butt will be the greater variable. 24” barrel, 1:8 twist, RS62 powder, usually shooting 1000 yards.

Any real life experience will be appreciated.

[No i deer]

Stick with the scenars

[SMLE]

23 minutes ago, No i deer said:

Stick with the scenars

Kinda what I was thinking tbh........

[Jeffo1960]

What kind of velocity are you getting with the 139 sencars, and COL, 

[SMLE]

Averaging 2660 fps and 2.283” measured to the ogive 

[Jeffo1960]

Thanks 

[Big Al]

14 hours ago, SMLE said:

I’ve used 139 scenars in my creedmoor for ages now and have a great and accurate load. However, I’ve been offered 400 Hornady 140g eld’s by a friend at what can only be described as a great price and not wishing to look a gift horse in the mouth, I’m very tempted.

I really can’t be bothered with load development again just for this batch of bullets and just wondered if others have seen any significant difference between the two designs (other than dimensions of course) for the same powder and charge. I suspect the change will be small, faster probably and the mutt behind the butt will be the greater variable. 24” barrel, 1:8 twist, RS62 powder, usually shooting 1000 yards.

Any real life experience will be appreciated.

You cant change something as significant as the bullet and not have to do the load development again, unless you have a very poor accuracy requirement. Accuracy can come and go between different batches of the same bullet never mind a different bullet entirely.

[No i deer]

I like 140gr amaxs in my 6.5x47 for hunting and my 140gr berger hybrid load for target and by chance has the same powder charge and the same base to ogive measurement and they too shoot superb.

[Jeffo1960]

I have been looking at the Berger Hybrid,are they jump fussy,like the VLDS

[No i deer]

10 to 15 jump and they'll shoot like a laser with the right powder charge.

From what I've heard you jam the vlds for best accuracy

[Jeffo1960]

I am currently using Hornady 143g ELD-X but they group great, and low sd, but won't mag feed, groups open when I load to mag length 

[No i deer]

The bergers haven't got a ballistic tip so they're likely to be a tiny bit shorter.

I think I have loads of room in the AI mag. The 6.5x47 is about 1mm shorter case than the creedmoor.

As target bullets go berger are undoubtedly the best copper jacketed bullets made.

[Lone gunman]

On 8/1/2021 at 8:58 AM, SMLE said:

I’ve used 139 scenars in my creedmoor for ages now and have a great and accurate load. However, I’ve been offered 400 Hornady 140g eld’s by a friend at what can only be described as a great price and not wishing to look a gift horse in the mouth, I’m very tempted.

I really can’t be bothered with load development again just for this batch of bullets and just wondered if others have seen any significant difference between the two designs (other than dimensions of course) for the same powder and charge. I suspect the change will be small, faster probably and the mutt behind the butt will be the greater variable. 24” barrel, 1:8 twist, RS62 powder, usually shooting 1000 yards.

Any real life experience will be appreciated.

Yes I offered the 140elds but some of the accuracy difference is down to rifling and quality as the Howa and Tikka have same 1in 8 but my Tik Tac A1 6.5 creedmoor will work very well with 147elds sub moa at 1000yds and out to 1 mile no problem  but as you know smle the Howa dont like it up em, I use RS70 find the pressures are lower and still get high 26s in velocity with 147elds with loads well within limits just bit better for that long distance shot and less wind disturbance as for the scenars v elds its down to preference and rifle quality dont get me wrong nothing wrong with Howa 1500s but Tikka has the legs for distance and accuracy

[One on top of two]

140 elds @ 2800 fps , Sako TRG 6.5 CM like a laser-beam 

[One on top of two]

however not as good as my Berger 144 hybrids 2795 / sd 2.4 

[Jeffo1960]

Just bought some of  Berger 144 hybrids,to try

[One on top of two]

1 hour ago, Jeffo1960 said:

Just bought some of  Berger 144 hybrids,to try

There very good with really repeatable results, don’t scrimp on your case prep and your get results .

After this weekend of load development I have finally settled on 44.4 grn RS 62 with 10 thou jump , with a return of 2805 FPS and SD of 3 

[Popsbengo]

2 hours ago, Jeffo1960 said:

Just bought some of  Berger 144 hybrids,to try

Excellent choice,  I use with RS62, 44gr and 10' jump.  2840fps from 30" 1:8 barrel.  Single hole zero at 100yd.   600yd 10 shot group at Bisley last week in the pic.  Excellent at 900 too.

[One on top of two]

7 hours ago, Popsbengo said:

Excellent choice,  I use with RS62, 44gr and 10' jump.  2840fps from 30" 1:8 barrel.  Single hole zero at 100yd.   600yd 10 shot group at Bisley last week in the pic.  Excellent at 900 too.

Beautiful .