Swamp Donkey Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 So, who wants to shoot out to 1600yds, yes, a mile ? I'm looking at running a 300-1600yd shoot in Wiltshire. But before I go ahead and put any money down on the booking, I need to gauge interest. So, if people could give a show of hands below, and indicate if weekdays are 'do able' too. If there is enough interest, I'll give more details, but I can say that HME calibers are fine, so that .50 cal you've been itching to get, is useable here. If I get enough solid interest, I'm thinking of running one on a bi-monthly basis, but it's not going to be cheap or easy for me to do this as I would need to start up a home office approved club to reduce the costs by a grand (give or take a few hundred) per day. Weekdays will work out cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserttech Europe Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Count us in!!!!!! Ewen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserttech Europe Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Maybe to save on costs you could run it in conjunction with the FCSA, and gain more interest? Ewen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I've looked at that. It's viable to run independently as long as the numbers are there. If I only get five solid 'yes's then I won't do it. But if I get twenty shooters, it'll work out lots cheaper than other options of shooting similar set ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 SD, Have a sutable rifle iminent so basically 'yes' and weekdays, with suffificent notice, is achivable. Setting up a HO registered club might proove interesting? Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I'd love to but not sure I have suitable calibres? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 sounds awsome:-) thought 1760 was a mile tho??? cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballistic Hamster Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 count me in will have a go ;-) not that good but will try ;-)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 MJR, 17HMR should do it (if you beleive the advertising/claims) Seriously though, a mile's nice but pushing your exsting rifle to see what it can do is still good fun and the OP did say 300-1600 yard. I'd take my 6.5x47 as well as I'm pretty certain it will work out to and probably past 1200 yards. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I am interested but it comes down to cost like always! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 So, who wants to shoot out to 1600yds, yes, a mile ? I'm looking at running a 300-1600yd shoot in Wiltshire. But before I go ahead and put any money down on the booking, I need to gauge interest. So, if people could give a show of hands below, and indicate if weekdays are 'do able' too. If there is enough interest, I'll give more details, but I can say that HME calibers are fine, so that .50 cal you've been itching to get, is useable here. If I get enough solid interest, I'm thinking of running one on a bi-monthly basis, but it's not going to be cheap or easy for me to do this as I would need to start up a home office approved club to reduce the costs by a grand (give or take a few hundred) per day. Weekdays will work out cheaper. Will be very interested to see how you get on with this; Landmarc priced this prohibitively (ie more expensive than a gallery range, despite there being no targetry, no range warden on site, infact 'no nothing' less for a bit of broken electric fence and a couple of lost sheep) when I looked at it; you also have to stump up a Landmarc 'registration fee' as well as pay to form the club; from memory that comes up at circa £500 before you've made a range booking. Once you've made a booking you're then at the absolute bottom of the priority list and will get bumped at no notice. (I can help you with that a wee bit by pointing out the firing areas from which you won't get bumped very often). This is on ground on which I'm both qualified, and have, run practices from 9mm up to bringing in fighter ground attack. Army were greenlight. Landmarc were utterly obstructive. I gave up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I'd love to but not sure I have suitable calibres? .308 ? That's all I'm gonna use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tackb Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Bd, landmarc are always obstructive and i have no idea why (as well as being generally unorganised and inept) swampy, the mile is 1760yds (1600m) i shot the mile at WMS and throughly enjoyed it , i used my 300rum and was getting meaningful hits on a steel half torso target (even a pure luck headbox hit!)but the 260's impressed me the most with impressive hits at that range! the most important thing you need really is a large backstop that you can see your strikes in so you can correct and the second most important is a good spotter ! have fun and enjoy...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Ok, 1760yds. Lol. Bd, a 'commercial' booking, ie, not by a club IS silly money. Like I say, I'm gauging interest, positive interest please, I'm aware of the pitfalls of the booking, user priority etc. if all else fails, I might just book it for a half day for a few close friends and myself, I'm also in talks with a civvy land owner ref using his land where 900yds should be doable, again, should still work out cheaper than other similar venues, excepting bisley etc as I like gongs over paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c18rch Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I'm definately in. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Ok, 1760yds. Lol. Bd, a 'commercial' booking, ie, not by a club IS silly money. Like I say, I'm gauging interest, positive interest please, I'm aware of the pitfalls of the booking, user priority etc. if all else fails, I might just book it for a half day for a few close friends and myself, I'm also in talks with a civvy land owner ref using his land where 900yds should be doable, again, should still work out cheaper than other similar venues, excepting bisley etc as I like gongs over paper. Pete, If you can make it work I'm definitely up for it. But, unless they're giving you some sort of unique super simple carte blanche; there's a heap more to this than meets the eye. I just have a feeling, based on my own attempt to do the same thing on the same training area that it won't fly: Civvy access to danger areas, trained competent people, insurance, targetry (what? who sets it up? When? Who recovers it? When? (whens relate to the ranges being live for other users)), range comms - 2 means with range control (how?); who's doing your templates? Vehicle recovery plan (being left in a danger area when it goes live) etc Assuming you've planned for all that (I was able to square that side away fairly easily on the green secret handshake, you may have a landmarc equivalent); what sort of ballpark cost are you fag-packet calculating per punter per day? I couldn't get lower than approx £500 start-up cost to even make the first booking plus a minimum 'club rate' charge of over £300 per day for upto 6 shooters; and £50 additional for every additional shooter. So, after you've squared away all the admin requirements and their associated time and cost; your first day will come in at £1000 for 10 people for a field with nothing in it Sorry, being a misery because I can see people getting excited and I suspect it'll never fly. But if you can make it work, once I've eaten my hat, I'm definitely up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Civvy access to danger areas, trained competent people, insurance, targetry (what? who sets it up? When? Who recovers it? When? (whens relate to the ranges being live for other users)), range comms - 2 means with range control (how?); who's doing your templates? Vehicle recovery plan (being left in a danger area when it goes live) etc Insurance, sorted. Targetrey, mixture of sapu, and gongs. Set up, needs to be done by a Range Warden,so that'll be me then. Templates, sorted. Vehicle recovery, Landmarc motor, so their responsibility. Comms, field phone, mobile phone, airwave radio. Target recovery, same as set up, me. My overtime to set up will be in leu of my overtime putting flags up every day. Cost, tbc, dependant on which of two ways I book it, depending on bookings to do the shoot. I know you have 'insider knowledge' 'green side' (who are easy to deal with), I have insider knowledge of the Wierd and (not so) wonderful ways of Landmarc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Insurance, sorted. Targetrey, mixture of sapu, and gongs. Set up, needs to be done by a Range Warden,so that'll be me then. Templates, sorted. Vehicle recovery, Landmarc motor, so their responsibility. Comms, field phone, mobile phone, airwave radio. Target recovery, same as set up, me. My overtime to set up will be in leu of my overtime putting flags up every day. Cost, tbc, dependant on which of two ways I book it, depending on bookings to do the shoot. I know you have 'insider knowledge' 'green side' (who are easy to deal with), I have insider knowledge of the Wierd and (not so) wonderful ways of Landmarc Cool. I'll start on my hat now then. What are the indicative costs for, say, 6 people by either booking means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5Grendel Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 If you get 'approved range'status which will satisfy the conditions of my fac then I would be interested subject to cost of course. £100 for a days shooting at various ranges would prob be my limit. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaken Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Im in. Got to be a lot less than £100 though :-P Rup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Andy, it is an approved range, from as small as a .177 air pistol, up to and beyond 155mm artillery, 500lb bombs, air to ground missiles etc, so yes, you'll be covered BD, it's not even worth my time doing it for only six, sixteen, yes. Circa £1800 per day for a weekend to book, commercial rates, so 18 people at £100 each, but weekdays are cheaper, and if I do the other route, about £450 for a Saturday/Sunday assuming 8 hours usage and my time for nowt. Plus, there is the cost of any larger gongs as 8" may ba a touch too small at a mile lol. But they can be mild steel at the longer ranges as I can't see them taking the punishment the quarry ones endure. To be honest, I think 1/2" ply would still do the job, just without the 'ding' lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tackb Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Andy, it is an approved range, from as small as a .177 air pistol, up to and beyond 155mm artillery, 500lb bombs, air to ground missiles etc, so yes, you'll be covered BD, it's not even worth my time doing it for only six, sixteen, yes. Circa £1800 per day for a weekend to book, commercial rates, so 18 people at £100 each, but weekdays are cheaper, and if I do the other route, about £450 for a Saturday/Sunday assuming 8 hours usage and my time for nowt. Plus, there is the cost of any larger gongs as 8" may ba a touch too small at a mile lol. But they can be mild steel at the longer ranges as I can't see them taking the punishment the quarry ones endure. To be honest, I think 1/2" ply would still do the job, just without the 'ding' lol Pm me if you want some 20mm plates cut (cheap) I do have some hardox 500 (8mm) that i could plasma cut for you (a bit dearer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I am in for £100 a day, could be interesting for my new 6mmSM. I think I will be running out of legs well before it hits the gong at 1600yds though. Can you make the 1600yd gong the size of a barn door to give me a chance please ??? Just done a few quick calcs and I don't think my Zeiss will get me to 1600yds. Just because the targets will go out to 1600+, you don't have to shoot it, I'm not planning on any competition, it's for seeing what you and your rifle can do at extended range. I'm not sure mine will dial to 1600, in fact, I know it won't, but it's all about having fun trying stuff out that can't normally be done on a gallery, farm etc. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Im in. Got to be a lot less than £100 though :-P Rup + 1 here to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 In with a capitol I Damn I sold the 338...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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