pengo Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 Does anyone know what the going price would be for Varget powder and where best to try and locate any, please? I'm aware that this is a very big ask, given it's scarcity, but unless you ask....... Here's hoping????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwakkerjack Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, pengo said: Does anyone know what the going price would be for Varget powder and where best to try and locate any, please?... It is illegal in the UK. Our illustrious overlords banned many powders a few years ago. Hodgdon Varget Not Exempt 2,4-dinitrotoluene (carcinogenic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 Not legal to sell in UK or EU. Nothing to do with climate change. It's REACH regs and some US powder companies didn't consider compliance to me worth their effort: https://www.hse.gov.uk/reach/about.htm There's better alternatives to Varget that are available (well, apart from the current supply problems due to Vlad the Mad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 If you can find someone in the UK who who has some, it's not illegal to buy it. It's only illegal to import it But, as has been said, you'd be far better off working up a load with an equivalent powder that is legal and is (relatively) easily available Cheers Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasky Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 Winchester StaBall Match is supposed to be a great REACH compliant modern alternative to Varget, and I believe its just arrive in the UK (my local shop just shared they've had a delivery of it) https://shop.hodgdon.com/winchester-staball-match/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy RV Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 FYI - It’s not illegal to import or sell, it’s purely the fact that a material which was used in its manufacture, 2 -4 dinitrotoluene, has been deemed obsolete due to REACH legislation, hence it can no longer be manufactured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard griffith Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 Agree that Reach regulations banned this in EU and uk has kept this going.However I think this is still manufactured-Australia I believe.Richard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy RV said: hence it can no longer be manufactured. You couldn't be further out here. It is manufactured by ADI (Australian Defence Industries) part of the multinational Thales engineering and defence French based multinational, in New South Wales, sold as ADI AR-2208 in the Antipodes, used in ADI manufactured rifle ammunition, and exported in bulk to the Hodgdon Powder Company in the US for the entire Americas, north and south, under the VarGet name. Far from manufacture having been stopped, the US market has been unable to get enough of the stuff for many years and American shooting forums regularly host posts saying words to the effect of "Varget is now in stock at .........." ADI will almost certainly eventually reformulate its extruded rifle propellants range to eliminate DNT, but there is no requirement to do this immediately as only the lunatics in the EU hierarchy have the desire to eliminate every potentially harmful substance in every chemical product. (Propellants and explosives are a tiny part of REACH which overall took 10 years of research, consultation among member states and drawing up/implemeting regulations sector by sector covering everything with chemicals from paint and washing-up detergents to herbicides, agricultural products and industrial chemicals (which is why RoseClear and suchlike don't work on your roses half as well as they used to). As an aside, the original official EU online explanation of Project REACH and its rationale and implementation listed these regulations being a plus for European chemical manufacturers as it would discourage imports and protect domestic manufacturers. That 'benefit' was removed from the website within weeks - I wonder why! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted July 28, 2023 Report Share Posted July 28, 2023 3 hours ago, pasky said: Winchester StaBall Match is supposed to be a great REACH compliant modern alternative to Varget, and I believe its just arrive in the UK (my local shop just shared they've had a delivery of it) https://shop.hodgdon.com/winchester-staball-match/ It has a similar burn rate to VarGet. Whether it is a Great alternative to VarGet, well we'll have to see. It has an RRP of £70/lb I'm told and VarGet will be a very hard act to follow. Few if any ball-powder technology propellants have the flexibility of the best of the tubular/extruded types or give as consistent a performance in the very demanding roles of target and precision shooting. Military and hunting ammunition are very different uses and this type can often be better. Temperature stability, or lack of it, has been one of the types' Achilles heels and the General Dynamics St. Marks StaBALL range is claimed to finally overcome it, hence the StaBALL name. (Hodgdon now undertakes Winchester canister powders' bottling and distribution, as well as having used St. Marks products since its early days branded as Hodgdon Spherical grades - H335, BLC(2), H380, H414 Li'l Gun, CFE grades etc, etc. Hodgdon's marketing people are pushing the new St. Marks / Winchester powders like crazy at least partly in hope of transferring across some of the demand for their ADI 'Extreme' extruded grades that they have no hope of satisfying. StaBALL Match is being promoted as a VarGet replacement, and StaBALL 6.5 likewise but for H4350, another ADI product whose demand Hodgdon cannot satisfy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy RV Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 True, I forgot that it is made in Australia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotshooter Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 My local shop wants £52. It's been on the shelf for a few weeks at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard griffith Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 In the current market that’s reasonable.Dare I as where is it at that price.Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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