1-4-1 question.

[martin_b]

Guys I have 2 rimfire rifles on my FAC, I want to sell one, a 10/22  and replace it with a Anshutz target rifle.  Im not sure if Im going to do it in one transaction at a RFD, or sell the 10/22 privatley then buy the target rifle at a later date.  when in the process do i apply for a 1-4-1 or do I even need to?

 

TIA.

[phoenix]

You need to dispose of one rifle and tell the police the details of that transaction within 7 days

Then you need to apply for a one for one variation.

Once you have your certificate varied to allow you to acquire another 22, then you can buy one at your leisure.

 

Cheers

 

Bruce

[Popsbengo]

1 hour ago, martin_b said:

Guys I have 2 rimfire rifles on my FAC, I want to sell one, a 10/22  and replace it with a Anshutz target rifle.  Im not sure if Im going to do it in one transaction at a RFD, or sell the 10/22 privatley then buy the target rifle at a later date.  when in the process do i apply for a 1-4-1 or do I even need to?

 

TIA.

Common misunderstanding:  the FAC permission is for the specific rifle you have by its serial number etc.  If you sell it you loose the permission.  You need to get a new permission for the replacement rifle 1 for 1 which should be free as long as you sell the first one and then ask for the same calibre variation.  If you ask for a variation whilst you have the current rifle it counts as an additional firearm so £20 for the variation.

I know of one chap that thought he could sell one and buy another (both privately) without bothering the FEO !  Oh dear, it took some explaining...

[martin_b]

Many thanks, thats what i thought, but Im greatful for the confirmation. 

[Roy W]

It neither has to be the same calibre, same type of firearm or even a firearm slot for a 1-4-1. EG I have swapped a Spare Barrel slot for a RIfle and a 22 Rifle slot for a 308/7.62 rifle slot. Some forces try to impose a 'you must request the 1-4-1 within 'X' number of days. This is not correct, the guidance clearly states their is no time limit in doing so.

[Mattnall]

Roy has it right. No time limit for applying for the 1-4-1 but there is a limit on the time to tell them of any transaction, and it doesn't have to be the same type (although some forces try to insist it is like-4-like but will back down if pressed). It is asked that the 1-4-1 is done in a timely manner to help the firearms department mainly but there is no actual limit except the expiry/renewal date of the FAC.

[Popsbengo]

While I agree with what Roy and Matt say, it's not necessarily always as cut and dry as that.   One for one with a different calibre requires the additional step of justification  - that may be, and usually is, straight forward, but not always.  For example: swapping a .223 for a  .30 Win Mag may require access to a suitable range possibly not available to the club.

Easy to say about pressing the FEO etc, not all FAC holders have the confidence to do that.

[Roy W]

Agreed, but that's not what you said, hence my reply. Your post inferred that 1-4-1's were only for like calibres.

Every slot has to have justification, but your point is well made for a newbie who might not think about that.

[Popsbengo]

1 hour ago, Roy W said:

Agreed, but that's not what you said, hence my reply. Your post inferred that 1-4-1's were only for like calibres.

Every slot has to have justification, but your point is well made for a newbie who might not think about that.

I could have been clearer