devilishdave Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 I am thinking of getting my .243 remington 700 re barreld with a Border Archer Barrel at the end of the doe season next year. Has any one got any experiance with the archer barrels? what sort of accuracy do you manage to acheive with them? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentsoulsleave308holes Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 my 300 wm has an archer bbl shoots sub 1/4"@100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I think one of Baldies match winning rifles also has an Archer tube fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 My 6.5 x47 has an archer, and its taken several firsts at benchrest at different ranges, countless mcqueens wins, and a gold medal at 4/5/600 yards "f" class at bisley. My 6mmbr surgeon has an archer fitted, and so does my sako 6mmbr. My .308 has the "border" cut rifling barrel however, but its no more accurate than the archers. We fit more archers than any other barrel...they are superb barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967spud Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 i have a archer on my .243 ai a superb addition to my lump of iron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6mmBR Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I have Archer tubes on my 6.5x47 lapua and my .22-250 AI they both shoot superbly. Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Dave does your wife know you are using the bedroom walls as a target board? it is very dodgy looking wallpaper so I doubt she will care anyway I have just had a deja vou moment, have we been here before? There seems to be an enormous price difference between the Archer and the cut rifled barrels without any great advantage, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col48 Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 what do they clean like compared against each other.?? ATB Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6mmBR Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Ian your right there, Iseem to remember going down that path when I first had the rifle I can't see how the other barrel can shoot any better than that. I certainly wouldn't pay an extra £200 for something I doubt could perform any better. Does anyone know the advantages of spending £200 extra on a cut rifled Border barrel? JR used to say barrel life was better with the Archer tubes as well. Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Im may be wrong, but I recall JR saying that the button caused the surface to "harden" whilst it is being swaged through the bore. I will certainly be trying an Archer soon if they are giving results like the ones posted. No benefit at all in going "cut" IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilishdave Posted September 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Thanks for the replies, all positive sounds like it will be a goer then. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramble basher Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 having a new rifle built by syss at the moment decided on a border archer in the end as couldn't see what extra id'e get for a few hundred quid which hopefully will cover some of the cost of screw cutting and fluting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR__ Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Ian your right there, Iseem to remember going down that path when I first had the rifle I can't see how the other barrel can shoot any better than that. I certainly wouldn't pay an extra £200 for something I doubt could perform any better. Does anyone know the advantages of spending £200 extra on a cut rifled Border barrel? JR used to say barrel life was better with the Archer tubes as well. Cheers Dave Actually, I've never said a buttoned barrel outlasts a cut rifled and doubt Border in their heart of hearts would admit to that if we're being completely honest. In fact in most cases its the contrary, but it all depends on the internal dimensions, material and quality the barrel was made in the first place. Some material is better to be machined, other is best suited for swaging and will leave it at that as an MHO. Always thought it might be a good idea to work with better quality material for the rolls royce cut rifled barrels, time will tell, but the intention here is to have all 3 processes and many sources of material here to work those answers out. JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rogern Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 i have a archer on my .243 ai a superb addition to my lump of iron Those walls look a bit thin as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Actually, I've never said a buttoned barrel outlasts a cut rifled and doubt Border in their heart of hearts would admit to that if we're being completely honest. In fact in most cases its the contrary, but it all depends on the internal dimensions, material and quality the barrel was made in the first place. Some material is better to be machined, other is best suited for swaging and will leave it at that as an MHO. Always thought it might be a good idea to work with better quality material for the rolls royce cut rifled barrels, time will tell, but the intention here is to have all 3 processes and many sources of material here to work those answers out. JR JR, are you up and running yet? any website? cheers edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR__ Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 JR, are you up and running yet? any website? cheers edi Nearly there mate. We had a few hiccups with parts to make or order to get the machinery up and moving, but is all coming together nicely in the end. Next is the fun part, hiring staff and training them not to broccoli up the machinery. Most of the equipment is not NC controlled and it isn't the easiest to find those who have the ability to run mechanical machinery anymore, hahah, so it's up to me to keep the momentum until everyone is on the same page...Won't get much of a break in the near future, reckon I have about 3 months of getting the cut rifled gears churning and will be onto the hammer forge equipment, back and forth between the two sides. As the HF side is being constructed will also be initiating the button barrelmaking. No rest for the wicked just yet, but still plenty of time in the week to raise a little hell when necessary. Website here is: www.knightarmco.com Reckon once it's operational and everything cleaned up, we may have some pictures of the barrelmaking plant..Biggest problem now with pictures is the 2 Sherman tanks and the deuce and a half cluttering the area, haha, blocks the good light.. later JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilishdave Posted June 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Picked up the rifle on Friday; 22 inch Border Archer in .243 Ackley. REM 700 action Timney trigger, PSS stock Mag conversion. I got a new T8 and IOR 6-24x50 which is looking good. I will get some pics up on monday when I get hold of my camera. I started fire forming today; It was shooting 1/2 -3/4 so it bodes well for once it is fire formed and I sort the OAL out etc. Any pointers on loads for 95-105 grains would be apreciated. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967spud Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 TRY the 87g vmax mate they take some beating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mildot Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Ive just got my tikka back with a lovely varmint fluted barrel! looks really smart now! Should have my Robertson tactical stock in a day for 2 then off to play. The benefit of the border cut barrels is you can have them at a different twist rate! grooves etc. So you really can have any mis you like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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