Bianchi Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just picked this up in another forum: "The Nammo Group, parent of Lapua and Vihtavuori, has announced the acquisition of Berger Bullets, one of the USAs leading bullet makers. With Berger Bullets joining the Nammo Group, this teams Americas ultra-premium bullet-maker with what is arguably the worlds most respected cartridge brass and ammunition-maker. This is huge news. For competition shooters this may be a marriage made in heaven. Many top shooters, including champions like Bryan Litz and John Whidden, are already shooting Berger bullets in Lapua brass. This merger will make it easier for the two companies (Berger and Lapua) to optimize the performance of factory ammo, as well as to optimize brass for use with Berger match projectiles." http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/10/berger-bullets-joins-nammo-group/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarovski1 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 That will more than likely bring on yet another price increase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furrybean Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Interesting. If production continues in the US I can see any change in availability though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furrybean Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 That will more than likely bring on yet another price increase Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Nammo have a huge ammo mfg plant in Mesa, AZ. I can see this as a good move for all concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I wonder if Berger bullets might end up being made in the Lapua factory in Finland as well as in the US? Now that would be a welcome development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I wonder if Berger bullets might end up being made in the Lapua factory in Finland as well as in the US? Now that would be a welcome development. No, that wouldn't happen Berger are just now a part of the larger Nammo corporation. It may mean that their bullets come into the UK through larger established import routes, such as Vilking Arms or whatever. I can only see it as a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I'd think Mark is correct. This seems a corporate merger-one of umbrella ownership,rather than manufacturing policy. Effectively,no changes in product seem likely-and there is probably no substantial overlap in bullet use,which might have led to revision of the bullet ranges. While some UK shooters might vaccilate between Berger and Lapua,for specific applications,this isn't commercialy significant. What is more likely is the wider use of V powders by successful US shooting teams-like Berger (Litz) already do,and so more awareness of the brand's merit-but that won't mean Europe can't get it, After all,every medal (gold silver and bronze ) in the recent WBR championships was won using Lapua brass and V 133-as has been largely the case for a long time....bullets a tad more variable,it just ensures a steady market in US and continued availability for 'us'. gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I would expect an injection of money into Berger for development and possibly a new line in Berger ammunition somewhere along the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I would expect an injection of money into Berger for development and possibly a new line in Berger ammunition somewhere along the way Maybe similar to Bryan's Applied Ballistic ammo....always better to have "Litz up" rather than 'tits up' stuff ! g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Maybe similar to Bryan's Applied Ballistic ammo....always better to have "Litz up" rather than 'tits up' stuff ! g There is no room for joking on this forum, everything is dead serious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 It can be overdone. But I'm off to polish up my aluminium private parts,which will be edited out. atb g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarovski1 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Why? A Hunch ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarovski1 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 There is no room for joking on this forum, everything is dead serious! lol.your not wrong there Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I would expect an injection of money into Berger for development and possibly a new line in Berger ammunition somewhere along the way That's already been said by the Berger people. Berger's main problem these days is simply making enough product to meet demand, and the Nammo buyout will help fund largescale capacity increases. Erik Stecker (Berger's MD) is also very keen (read 'desperate') to relocate the company and its production facilities from California to Arizona. (It seems California is now so anti-gun that anything firearms related is given pariah status and has every known obstacle put in its path. Gary Eliseo [Competition Machine] took this route a while back as have several other shooting related manufacturers.) What will also be interesting will be if we see Litz designed Lapua bullets a few years down the line. Lapua's range is very mixed with some excellent high-BC designs mixed in with really very pedestrian examples. While Lapua brass has made great inroads in the crucial US market, there is little mention of its bullets in American precision shooting forums, or in match reports where components are listed for top shooters. There must be considerable scope for technology transfer / manufacturing technique information exchanges and suchlike. Berger has a good reputation on quality control, but Lapua is superlative. All in all, I also think it's a very positive development. Other American bullet makers have been hit hard by Berger's developments and growth - you can see this in the recent flood of new and better products from Hornady and even more so from Sierra - and they'll be running even more scared now as to what Berger might do with more financial and technological resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 No, that wouldn't happen Berger are just now a part of the larger Nammo corporation. It may mean that their bullets come into the UK through larger established import routes, such as Vilking Arms or whatever. I can only see it as a good thing I hope it's not Viking arms otherwise the price will be extorcionate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldie Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 It will be Viking Arms and also Hannams reloading. Pretty sure that Norman Clarke brings their products in direct, also. I don't use Berger bullets, because they are ridiculously priced, and 9/10 times, you can't get what you want. Those are two MASSIVE factors in retail sales. They will have to address these issues, or they will be a non starter . I just hope it doesn't have a negative effect on the Lapua Scenar range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I hope it's not Viking arms otherwise the price will be extorcionate I've always found Viking to be quite reasonable I think Mik brings them in also Dave If what Laurie says is thur and Berger are looking to move out of Cali, then I wouldn't be surprised to see them relocate to the Nammo facility in Mesa, which was formerly an ATK rocket and explosive manufacturing plant....and covers many acres of land. The ideal setup if you were to ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Berger says this http://www.bergerbullets.com/berger-bullets-joins-nammo-group/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srvet Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Thank the Lord that they didn't merge with Remington!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianchi Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 Picture J4 jackets used in Lapua Scenars soon... The mind boggles. Scaling up an already successful company in its existing management structure and organization can often present hurdles where companies fail but in this case the transition should prove to be smooth and beneficial to all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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