andybrock Posted September 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Thanks for the replies chaps, its good to know forming the brass is that simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caerhays sniper Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Crikey I didn't realise it was that easy! Will be trying that when my current supply run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 I agree with dully1963 Andy, just get a set of standard Redding .17 fireball dies, run the new unfired .221 cases through the seating die first then through the full length sizing die and job done. Nothing could be easier. Not that simple Squirrel. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 squirrel Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Thats how i do it Ian works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted September 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Not that simple Squirrel. Ian. How do you form them Ian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 How do you form them Ian? I know for a fact that 17 Squirrels method does not always work and is dependant on chamber dimensions he is lucky it worked for him. I use a dedicated Redding .221 Fireball to 17 Fireball form die set and then FL size with a 17 Fireball FL sizing die,it will work every time for factory chambers, however i have a custom barrel with minimum headspace chamber so i had to wind the 17 Fireball FL size die down another 1/4 turn in order to bump the shoulder a couple of thou before they would chamber. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted September 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 I know for a fact that 17 Squirrels method does not always work and is dependant on chamber dimensions he is lucky it worked for him. I use a dedicated Redding .221 Fireball to 17 Fireball form die set and then FL size with a 17 Fireball FL sizing die,it will work every time for factory chambers, however i have a custom barrel with minimum headspace chamber so i had to wind the 17 Fireball FL size die down another 1/4 turn in order to bump the shoulder a couple of thou before they would chamber. Ian. Cheers Ian, sounds easy enough with the right tools for the job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Why is it hard to form 221 brass into .17? Does it crumple or kink? I have had no bother forming .20 vartarg from 221, just straight through the sizing die and job done. I'd seriously consider the vartarg, it has a bit more bullet weight for foxes and is still good for crows etc. I found Nosler 221 brass online in the us no problem BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Tom, nice you have not had any problems with 221 to 20. In general,sizing down forces brass into configurations it was not in before,by manufacturing design. It has to go somewhere. (.221-.200) is a neck reducton of .021 but (.221-.172) is a reduction of .049,which is over twice as much.There is more pssibility of some malformed brass resulting. Sometimes it is better to take it down in stages eg .221 to .200 then to .172 Needs more-perhaps specialty dies,of course. For the shooter who wants readily available factory ammo,this is not an option-even if 221 brass were available easily. The 17 Rem is also available as loaded ammo,and fairly popular (as is the classic 22/250,though that exceeds the 223 in all aspects). But 204 Ruger is generally available off the shelf,,and is ballistically superior to the other intermediate cartridges considered...its as good as the 22/250,but less powerful-not that energy will be an issue for stated use. I'm not at all agin' wildcats-but try asking for 30BR ammo in a shop..for example. Most have never heard of it,let alone 308x11/2 Barnes (usually almost identical)...but easy enough to form from BR brass (preferably 7BR rather than 6BR-see above,in reverse). Nice intermediate cartridge,does fox too(125@2650) but 204,223and 222 are just easier all round. The vartag-heck,lets add in the turbo version too,have a place,but not for the original OP's criteria. BUt these somewhat niche cartridges can be very effective used sensibly,and above all are very satisfying to shoot (for a variety of reasons-excluding absolute performance,whenit's not appropriate/needed). Shoot and enjoy! gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Just to see what would happen i tried a 221 case straight into the 17 Fireball and it telescoped the neck down into the shoulder area. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillair1 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Just to see what would happen i tried a 221 case straight into the 17 Fireball and it telescoped the neck down into the shoulder area. Ian. Hi Ian what make of cases are you using. Whoops re read the thread, Lapua. Thanks Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Steve Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm having a .17 fireball built at the moment. I popped in to one of my local gunshops and mentioned .17 fireball rounds, he had 200 on the shelf so I took 100, once fired I will re-load them. Looking forward to using it. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuck Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm having a .17 fireball built at the moment. I popped in to one of my local gunshops and mentioned .17 fireball rounds, he had 200 on the shelf so I took 100, once fired I will re-load them. Looking forward to using it. Steve. I would of bought the lot, may save you a lot of hassle, saying that I'm sure some of my original cases have been loaded a dozen times and still going strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 squirrel Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Your being to butch with it Ian. I first used my method many moons ago when i had a 17 mach IV Slightly different chamber i know but it worked every time. I brought my RPA in 2005 i think, it was 17 Remington then, had it rebarreed in fireball with a min spec reamer about 2008/9. Have made my own cases from the start. Works for me every time even with a min spec chamber. If i was clever enough i would i would post a video. At the fat end of £100 for form dies, i would prefer to buy an extra couple of hundred cases. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillair1 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 I would of bought the lot, may save you a lot of hassle, saying that I'm sure some of my original cases have been loaded a dozen times and still going strong.Me too, I've had mine for a couple of years now, never seen a box of factory rounds. We're they accutip or hp.I've just ordered some cases, so I'll try forming a couple of cases prior to purchasing form dies and see what happens.Mine has a pacnor tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Steve Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Me too, I've had mine for a couple of years now, never seen a box of factory rounds. We're they accutip or hp. I've just ordered some cases, so I'll try forming a couple of cases prior to purchasing form dies and see what happens.Mine has a pacnor tube. Rem accu tip 20gr. Just hope they re-load OKS.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dully1963 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 A couple of boxes of Rocky horse s**t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted September 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 A couple of boxes of Rocky horse s**t With them being a rarity and of course me being nosey how much of your hard earned did you have to part with for those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Steve Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 With them being a rarity and of course me being nosey how much of your hard earned did you have to part with for those? I paid £23 a box for mine, didn't seem out of the way. S.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillair1 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Just to see what would happen i tried a 221 case straight into the 17 Fireball and it telescoped the neck down into the shoulder area. Ian. With a brand new box of lapua .221, I though I'd give it a go too. Nope buckles the case, even when taken very slowly, perhaps prior neck turning might work. , But as I'm not set up for .22cal neck turning, its time to order a set of form dies. https://img2.brain3.photobox.com/990625037b461a44a8df1e9728f08d68897d37f4ee68d5fd5241c55e41f94489a0aea0db.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 With a brand new box of lapua .221, I though I'd give it a go too. Nope buckles the case, even when taken very slowly, perhaps prior neck turning might work. , But as I'm not set up for .22cal neck turning, its time to order a set of form dies. https://img2.brain3.photobox.com/990625037b461a44a8df1e9728f08d68897d37f4ee68d5fd5241c55e41f94489a0aea0db.jpg F*** me you did six stillair i only did one!!! Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 squirrel Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Did you run them through your seating die first Stillair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillair1 Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Yep first one was a normal speed through the dies, then slower as you see them left right.Last one took about 5mins, a smidge at a time. It looks to me like there is too much brass in the shoulder area which is tougher than the body of the brass below hence the crumpling when put through the fl die. I'm a slow Learner Ian, 94 left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 squirrel Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Stillair you said your not set up for .22 neck turning are you for .17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillair1 Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 Stillair you said your not set up for .22 neck turning are you for .17Yes I'm good to go with .17 and .20 cal. I did consider turning in between dies, but it looks like the brass has flowed to the edge of the shoulder with the seating die.Being a novice here, I could be talking tosh though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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