dannywayoflife Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Fit a 308 bolt-head? Vince how often is this an issue? I ask as my old tikka x55 had the same size bolt head as a 260. Also all brands of x55 brass easily fit in the bolt face of my DTA. I know there is supposed to be a slightly larger case head in the x55 case but how many rifles actually have such a tight bolt face that the few extra thou won't fit? Genuine question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 We're talking about 8 thou. - nothing really. If your 308 bolt-head will take the 6.5x55 then OK - BUT you do NOT want it to be a tight fit - where closing the bolt will bear on the cartridge. Not if you're looking for accuracy anyway. I've just checked one of my BAT bolts and it measures 0.482in. That's going to be close for a 6.5x55 Swede - a thou. all round. Case rims often suffer minor damage from extraction, not to mention over-pressure - could be a problem that I wouldn't want with a comp. gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannywayoflife Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Good points thank you Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarovski1 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Well you convinced me baldie in going for a 6.5 creedmoor, when I used up all my 30 cal ammo its time to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I have a barrel here in 6.5 Creedmoor awaiting a new home to go to :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarovski1 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Any stats bradders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradders Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Any stats bradders At the moment all I know is it's a Walther and is on an AR10, and was fitted by Vince and Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus otter Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 My (limited) understanding is that the only reason for the 6.5 Creedmoor's existence is that it's a 6.5mm that will fit into an AR platform. If that isn't a consideration, I'd suggest a calibre that's more widely accepted and readily available. After some reading I chose .260 Remington.: A friendly fella who calls himself Baldie did the work for me. I couldn't be more pleased. maximus otter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Can it really be nine years since Lapua introduced their 6.5x47 cartridge? I was already playing with the 6mm Swiss Match (limited by it's large primer) for long-range benchrest and couldn't wait to neck-down the 6.5x47 to a 6-6.5x47 - except that it proved to be as good - if not better - in 6.5 form. The interest in a 6.5mm cartridge led to a revival of the 260 Rem. Whereas we were limited to about 3000fps with the 6.5x47 Lap. (using 123gn bullets) surely the 260Rem would top this with ease - it did. I built a couple for 1000 yard benchrest and so did a few others but they never quite lived up to expectations. Now we have the 6.5 Creedmoor - sitting nicely between the Lapua and the 260Rem. Will it prove superior to both? Maybe, but that small primer in the Lapua case takes the pressure so much better and, how good is the Hornady brass? It might be good but I doubt that it is as good as Lapua. So, my choice would still be with the 6.5x47 Lapua - for an accurate mid-range performer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 The 6.5 Grendell was designed for the (223) AR15 platform,but that is a different cartridge. The 6.5 Creedmore was designed as a somewhat more reloader/target optimised 6.5 mid range cartridge-the 6.5x47 Lapua having been designed for 300M cism shooting in Europe. No disagreement with your 260 rem decision.There is very little ballistically between the three,more that each has niche appeal-and/or marketing impetus in UK. 260 has impeccable parentage,best ballistics-just- and availability.Favoured by practical/precision shooters-good mag loading,well proven,cheap brass if you are prone to lose some,good brass too,off the peg availability for everything good.Maybe best hunting option-Remington do little to promote the 260,even as a hunting round. 6.5 creedmore slightly improved wrt 'idealised' notions for reloaders/target shooters,minority so far,availability may be an issue....esp in UK but fine when working. 6.5 x47 proven,accurate, good provenance-Lapua developed...cultish in UK-strong Lapua brass can remove any slight performance gapV 260,though no doubt Lapua 260 would just reinstate it-so small it really isn't worth much either way. 260-just works very well in all applications.Lacks some charisma-just like the 308 and 243-which just plain work.Best Factory option . Creedmore-appeals to genuine reloading target purists-let's hope supplies remain/get available. 6.5 L a fine cartridge,does little the others don't do,but often very accurate in custom rifles-but so are the others.Had something of an edge at first with Lapua brass;can need some expertise to get the best from it. Take your pick,it's probably a personality thing-unless you really do fit tightly into the specialist niche best suited to each. gbal(golden oldies 6.5: x54 and x55) I'd go 260 for stalking and gongs,6.5L for possibly marginal precision,at much increased cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meles meles Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hmm, now we're just plain confused again! Perhaps we ought to stick with 6.5x55 Swe ? It seems ammo is easier to come by... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hmm, now we're just plain confused again! Perhaps we ought to stick with 6.5x55 Swe ? It seems ammo is easier to come by... Most load their own ammo anyway so not really an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Meles,on most of these issues,you can best decide by being honest about what you want-actually need!-and how much you are willing to pay. That goes for the rifle of course,but also feeding it-and convenience and availability come in.There are probably differences that don't matter,and some that do-there are eg about 13 commercial 260 loading in US,and 26 for the older 6.5x55.Most shooters will eliminate most as not what they are after (bullet too light,local shop won't get, etc etc)so in reality,the odds are high that you will get one suitable loading at least for either,and how many actually do you need...one! Ask around for in store creedmore loaded ammo,or 6.5L. Reloader-fine,get plenty c brass. No stalker would trade a 6.5 swede for a 260 on ballistic grounds alone-rifle choice,maybe. If you are prepared to spend custom money on a mid range range rifle,and seriously think a 1/4 moa is a must have advantage over a non custom,maybe one of the other two-and just hope the components are available, for creedmore. And so it goes for most issues....good luck-the right combination for you may well exist. g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 The Creedmoor arose from a discussion between Dave Emary, Chief Ballistics Scientist at Hornady (the man behind a raft of new cartridges in recent years including the .17HMR and Hornet) and Dennis DeMille, (past US National High-Power Service Rifle champion, former member of the US Marine Corps rifle team and now general manager of Creedmoor Sports, purveyors of competition ARs and High-Power shooting accessories), at the US national championships at Camp Perry in August 2006. As an after-dinner discussion piece, they talked over what would their ideal 'XTC' (the 'Across the Course' four stage US SR comp programme covering 200, 300 and 600 yards) SR 'Match Rifle' cartridge would be if starting on a clean sheet of paper. Everything was open to discussion including calibre, but it had to fit short actions whether semi-auto AR-10 type or bolt-action. (There are more bolters than semi-autos used in the discipline. Whilst the standard H-P SR discipline is limited to the M1 Garand, M14/M1A, and M16/AR-15 and their .30-06, 7.62 and 5.56 cartridges, the 'Match Rifle' version is the upgraded variant allowing any cartridge and calibre, match iron sights etc with a lot more freedom in rifle design.) They came up with what very quickly became the Hornady Creedmoor. A key part of the concept was that it didn't have to be a handloading project - users could buy (relatively) affordable factory ammo that was true 600 yards better than 1-MOA precision match ammo. But of people wanted to duplicate the factory loads it could be easily done - the primer, powder, and charge weight is printed on the carton. It was launched entirely as a match number using 120 and 140gn Hornady A-Max bullets and sold like hot cakes from day one. Deerhunters quickly picked up on it too and Hornady soon produced expanding bullet loads. The sole problems to date have been getting hold of it such is the demand, also early brass was claimed to be 'soft' so hot reloads soon expanded primer pockets. In the USA, the 6.5 HCM is regarded as a much better competition design than .260 Rem, and has off the shelf match ammo available at a fraction of 6.5X47L and 6BR prices. Winchester launched its match version last year but still seems to be very short on the ground (like a lot of American ammo, of course). Bearing in mind, it was only launched in 2007, and that the US ammunition and components industry has been in complete turmoil with customer demand it can't meet for existing products, the cartridge shows every sign of being a major commercial success. With two manufacturers on board, and I think I read in last year's SHOT reviews that Norma is going to make brass and ammo too, it'll end up with brass from almost all manufacturers, likely Lapua aside who are (a) always slow to introduce new numbers, and ( who most probably see it as a competitor to its in-house design. Saying the Creedmoor is a good cartridge is not to knock its competitors, the 260 and especially the '47L although the latter is really a 100% handloading proposition for anybody other than those with Bill Gates sort of money. It does ahve pluses over the 260 though which Baldie has clearly summarised in an earlier post. A common shorthand description of the Creedmoor used in US shooting circles and magazine features is: "..... the 260 done right", and that summarises the cartridge for me - and I do own a 260 Rem rifle too which I'm very fond of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarovski1 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 My (limited) understanding is that the only reason for the 6.5 Creedmoor's existence is that it's a 6.5mm that will fit into an AR platform. If that isn't a consideration, I'd suggest a calibre that's more widely accepted and readily available. After some reading I chose .260 Remington.: A friendly fella who calls himself Baldie did the work for me. I couldn't be more pleased. maximus otter nice stock, ive a t4a, really pleased with it, ronin has bedded the action for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarovski1 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 When I asked about the 6.5 creedmoor before I didn't get such good replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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