benterrier Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Hi I'm new to this site. Waiting to get my ticket through. Have ordered a left handed CZ 452 .17. My biggest problem is choosing a scope for it now. Where do you start, read loads online but there is always negative things about a scope when I'm nearly decided on one. I've looked at Hawkes, Leupold, optisan, even some lower priced S&B. The other day I was looking at some new Nikon Monarchs 3 6-24x 50 Side focus fine reticle with dot. £400. Why were all these scopes left on the shelf at this shop......I looked through one out side, really good optics but 6-24 was a bit over kill to me. What are your guys views on my choice. Regards Benterrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5Grendel Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Hi I'm new to this site. Waiting to get my ticket through. Have ordered a left handed CZ 452 .17. My biggest problem is choosing a scope for it now. Where do you start, read loads online but there is always negative things about a scope when I'm nearly decided on one. I've looked at Hawkes, Leupold, optisan, even some lower priced S&B. The other day I was looking at some new Nikon Monarchs 3 6-24x 50 Side focus fine reticle with dot. £400. Why were all these scopes left on the shelf at this shop......I looked through one out side, really good optics but 6-24 was a bit over kill to me. What are your guys views on my choice. Regards Benterrier I have a monarch on my HMR , nothing wrong with it at all . I tend to leave it set at 8x for bunny bashing but the extra is useful for zeroing / spotting . Mine is the std reticule which I have no probs with. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky5042 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Hi Iv got an edgar brothers 5-20x50 on my 17hmr and im happy with it for now but would prefer a 6-25 or 8-32 then my 5-20 will go on my 10/22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benterrier Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Hi Guys, thanks for your quick replies. Okay So 6-24 in your opinion is not a bad thing on a 17HMR. So is the Monarch a good price at £400. Really liked the fine recticle with dot. Regards Benterrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I think the hmr is just a point and squirt tool for say out to 150 ish??? When I had one it wore a humble meopta 7x50 excellent glass and crisp enough to get a good 100 yard zero,,,personally I think a high mag and all the knobs etc is wasted on the hmr,,,,yep concentrate on good glass fixed power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benterrier Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I think the hmr is just a point and squirt tool for say out to 150 ish??? When I had one it wore a humble meopta 7x50 excellent glass and crisp enough to get a good 100 yard zero,,,personally I think a high mag and all the knobs etc is wasted on the hmr,,,,yep concentrate on good glass fixed power. [ /quote] I can see where your coming from Onehole. I do a bit of photography and there's no substitute for good glass. So would you go for SF or AO focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxshooter Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Side focus is sooo much easier MArk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I use a MTC Tipan on my HMR and a Hawke on my .22 rimmy think they were around £200ish obviously not as good as some scopes but good enough for rimfire ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I used to have a Docter optics on mine. Picked up a 8x56 for £150 second hand. It was a awesome scope, by far the quality was better than a S&B Hungarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benterrier Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hi Guys As you can see from the postings its going either way, towards high quality optics, be they second hand or medium to low quality saying that's all the .17HMR requires. When I ordered the gun I looked at a few scopes, went through the shops stock and the scope that I liked the best was believe it or not a Nikko diamond 1x4 24 IR dot. It really impressed me, the optics were razor sharp, the reticule first class even not illuminated, build quality good. May be the lower mag was the reason but so many people turn their noses up at Nikko. http://www.rbsporting.co.uk/index.php/product/nikko-stirling-1-4x24-ir/ Yes Stacka, Docter scopes, Have looked at these online and if somebody offered me that model of yours for £150 I wouldn't hesitate ........Haven't seen any bargains like that lately. Well the quest goes on, I just want to get something I'm satisfied with and does the job. Regards Benterrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Quite subjective Get side focus if any needed 6-18 x won't embarrass Extra hatch line can give hold overs,tho only 3" 150y drop(100 zero) Almost all scopes should be clear enough. £250 budget-or less used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I think the hmr is just a point and squirt tool for say out to 150 ish??? When I had one it wore a humble meopta 7x50 excellent glass and crisp enough to get a good 100 yard zero,,,personally I think a high mag and all the knobs etc is wasted on the hmr,,,,yep concentrate on good glass fixed power. [ /quote] I can see where your coming from Onehole. I do a bit of photography and there's no substitute for good glass. So would you go for SF or AO focus. If you choose a 7/8 times fixed they are usually parallaxed at 100yds/mtrs and good for focus from 50 to longer than hmr ranges just using fast focus ocular[recommended] ,,,,like I said knobs etc are a waste of time for the hmr,s usual duties,,point it shoot it and enjoy it fior what it is.If you want parallax then side focus is handy but I have seen zero shift on cheap brand SF! but not enough to worry hmr POI much ,,,have not noticed problems with AO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzbangwhallop Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Extra money spent on good glass will get you extra minutes at last light.... and the other way of looking at it is that it will be an "investment" that you'll keep. I've got a Swaro AV 4-16 Bench Rest reticle on my .22 and had the same on my .17HMR..... bought from Gregor at Mcleods of Tain (good prices), but they did need a Sportsmatch inclined mount to get the adjustment and even then one of the combinations wouldn't work on one rifle although the other worked on both (Never did work it out, 'scopes only a few numbers apart, same mount ) The other thing to consider would be whether you intend to use it with an NV add-on... that opens up a whole new can of worms! MTC have a reasonable rep in this but Marky610 is currently using a Sightron S Tac with his own NT300 add-on and reckons it's very good. ......... it's a minefield. Fizz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserttech Europe Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 If budget isnt an issue, then the S&B 4x16 precision hunter is perfect. Obviously good glass but the 32 0.05mil rad clicks gets you to the limits of the .17HMR range perfectly. regards Ewen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I used to have a Docter optics on mine. Picked up a 8x56 for £150 second hand. It was a awesome scope, by far the quality was better than a S&B Hungarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benterrier Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Hi Again, Still haven't got a scope but leaning towards fixed magnification and good glass. Looking at a scope on eBay at the moment....Meopta Artemis 2100 RD 7X50 Rifle. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Meopta-Artemis-2100-RD-7X50-Rifle-/161426126274?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item2595bf35c2 emailed the guy and he said it wasn't illuminated...I thought this model was IR red dot. Would the scope be ok on .17HMR. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benterrier Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Hi Again, Still haven't got a scope but leaning towards fixed magnification and good glass. Looking at a scope on eBay at the moment....Meopta Artemis 2100 RD 7X50 Rifle. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Meopta-Artemis-2100-RD-7X50-Rifle-/161426126274?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item2595bf35c2 emailed the guy and he said it wasn't illuminated...I thought this model was IR red dot. Would the scope be ok on .17HMR. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 when buying a scope keep in mind you may want to lamp with it .european glass has the edge with lamping set ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloop Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 It all very well asking will this scope do or will that scope do? Any scope will in reality do the job. But what do YOU want it to do? Different things need different things. Night vision? Long range? Headshooting to,preserve the meat? Shooting at dawn or dusk? Lamping? What are you going to use for? I have a cheap 3-12x44 on mine and have used it out to 160 yards. But it is rubbish at low light. But good with the nv, I intend to change it for a better scope in the near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammer223 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 hardly use any of my scopes past 8 power so for me 8x56 best quality you can afford scmidt&bender, doctor,meopta, zeiss etc etc in my opion you don't need loads mag for hmr just go for good glass ever time( imo ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benterrier Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Hi Yes Rammer 223, going with your way of thinking, fixed mag, good glass and the manufacturers you listed. I've set my spending limit to £600 for something new and under that for a good S/H model. Thanks for the advice. Regards Benterrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231343815314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadcenter Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Hi, I have a BSA Sweet 17 on mine. 3-12x with the duplex reticle, side focus. Elevation turret has range markings for 17 and 20 grain bullets and it works really well. Decent scope for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ergid Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I have a MTC Genesis 5-20 x50 ,good scope for the price ,they are worth a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Give this a look. Bloody amazing scopes http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231358887490 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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