Gandy Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Has anyone seen / had a look through one of these yet? http://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/police-and-military-forces/3-27x56-pm-ii-high-power.html 3 to 27 zoom sounds like quite a good range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Have you seen the quoted US retail price on these. Circa $5700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tackb Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Goodo , there should be some second hand old style PM2's coming on the market soon.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 3 to 27 zoom sounds like quite a good range. I don't know that I agree; I think 3-27 is a crazy range I don't think S&B can see past themselves to what the market wants: For all practical purposes, 3-27 is indistinguishable from 5-25. Never with a PM2 5-25 have I thought 'I wish it would dial lower' (in fact, I never use a PM2 below 7 power (the FOV doesn't get any bigger zooming down to 5)) but I've occasionally thought I'd like to zoom in a bit more. With the same 3-27 zoom ratio they could have offered 4-36 or 5-45 ! Also spotted this 5-20x50 ultra short: http://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/5-20x50-pm-ii-ultra-short.html Looks nice...........but why not 6-24?! Then it would be a 5-25 alternative. It would be a no-brainer smaller-lighter alternative. They just don't get it. Pity I'll be staying 5-25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 The ultra short is so compact they can't illuminate it. My favourite of all the new schmidts. The low profile turrets are perfect and what march should be aiming to emulate. Ie not caliper style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Yup. I'm pretty sure I've heard it said that March are going to re-offer the 6-24x42 as a 6-24x50 - that'll be a scope to have a good look at. Also think I've heard it said that they're going to offer Schmidt style turrets. (May have dreamt all that as wishful thinking!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 You have certainly dreamt the x50 objective. Ian Kelbly has confirmed no plans in the pipeline. No idea about the turrets though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 4-36 or 5 - 45,,,,now that would be something as an alternative to the March and NF scopes for F Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatzi Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Both scopes have been around long enough for the reports of problems with the ultrashort to return from America and how long is a piece of string with S&B actually delivering a 3+ grand scope with a 2 year warranty. Is anyone really waiting for this??? Does the 5-25 really come up short for serious users to want to need something different on any matter other than availability which Schmidt should have sorted out FIRST. BD is also correct about the fact that with a 9x erector tube, they should have given a better better mag envelope and instead of trying to milk a 9x, why not a RELIABLE CCURATE 7 or 8x tube that they could actually produce for customers. the 50x PMII's rarely seemed to focus and parallax correctly at 50x anyway with nearly ever example I saw running out of focus beyond 7-800 yards yet still able to go crisp at about 8-9 yards on 50x. They are just examples as BD says of them not looking beyond themselves to what real customers need. I had an official test example of the 12.5-50 a couple of years back and I think it had been tweaked because it was the only one in hindsight I saw that wouldn't focus really close but would focus clearly at 1000 yards plus. Are you going to wait 10-12 weeks to get the scope you likely waited months for anyway to be corrected? If it wasn't for the fact my PMII was a gift from my deceased father, I would have walked away from it 6 months ago. I used to love Schmidts but they just let themselves down, promising the earth they never deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 While I donot like the price point on this , to me the 3-27x is not anything to worry about either its close to the old 5-25x , the single thing this has over the old 5-25x , is it has about 50% more E , as they make 36 mil knob as an option , thats the real reason for having one , increased elevation for extreme long rnage shooting . So to me its the extra E , that makes it nice , pity about the price point . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 You have certainly dreamt the x50 objective. Ian Kelbly has confirmed no plans in the pipeline. If I were a betting man.......although I can neither confirm nor deny etc .......... . I'd be betting I didn't dream it Imagine a smaller lighter genuine alternative to the S&B 5-25........ hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary C Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Gentlemen, I am now permitted to announce that the new 3-24x52mm (Mil FFP) and 2.5-25x52mm (2FP MOA) will be launched at the shot show in Jan 2014, this model will still be extremely compact and light and only marginally bigger that the 42mm versions, I will post some specs in an new subject post in the next few days, also I will have demo versions of the two scopes, we will consider sending these to potential purchasers for demo. Apologies for keeping this quiet however Deon wanted to ensure the scopes were performing flawlessly before releasing the information. Kind regards Gary Costello March Scopes UK 01293 606901 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orka Akinse Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Gentlemen, I am now permitted to announce that the new 3-24x52mm (Mil FFP) and 2.5-25x52mm (2FP MOA) will be launched at the shot show in Jan 2014, this model will still be extremely compact and light and only marginally bigger that the 42mm versions, I will post some specs in an new subject post in the next few days, also I will have demo versions of the two scopes, we will consider sending these to potential purchasers for demo. Apologies for keeping this quiet however Deon wanted to ensure the scopes were performing flawlessly before releasing the information. Kind regards Gary Costello March Scopes UK 01293 606901 2nd FFP MOA rules me out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatzi Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Pretty difficult to have a "2nd FFP"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 2nd FFP MOA rules me out He's got FFP metric too. Dumkopf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary C Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Chris, ok I made a typo! it was late, we have first focal 3-24 in MIL and MOA and we have the 2.5x25 in MOA (2ND Focal plane) specs will be posted shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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