Mash67 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 28th should be ok for me, anyone want to share a lift from chippenham wilts, happy to drive but want some company, prob leave friday but can discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky5042 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Hi all I would love to come and shoot with you all but my firearms refuse to let me unless I get land with fox/deer and get a mentor! does anyone know how I could possibly get round this? Thanks Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Hi all I would love to come and shoot with you all but my firearms refuse to let me unless I get land with fox/deer and get a mentor! does anyone know how I could possibly get round this? Thanks Rick Not much help but do understand your position,,,,,,,I have tried to get two friends out on an open ticket or suitably worded conditions for invites etc etc and to add 308,s to their ticket,,,,,,,,no way!!!!!!will they consider such a thing,,,,,,, you have to have your own land/permission on which these cals and land has been approved first before they will consider opening up your freedom. In someways I can understand where they are coming from but it does spoil the fun.I doubt there is any way round it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCal Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 As far as I know, the land is cleared for "fulbore" and so an open ticket is not necessary (Tiff please confirm). Finding some land with deer or quarry that warrants a .308 for field use is the key, perhaps a covering letter from a deer stalking outfitter stating that you require a .308 rifle in order to humanely shoot deer on outings with them. Then, the rifle will be on your FAC for field use and you will be able take part. its just an idea and good luck with pursuing it! Ultimately, these challenges are designed to help you to improve your shooting in the field and increase the likelihood of dispatching quarry humanely. It would greatly benefit the people who have recently put in for .308 or similar calibre for field use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff Posted August 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 As far as I know, the land is cleared for "fulbore" and so an open ticket is not necessary (Tiff please confirm). Tiff confirms Also it has been decided there will only be shooting on Saturday, so no Sunday long range option this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff Posted August 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Ok, places are starting to go for Sat 28th September. Confirmed entries so far are: PCal JohnMH Walkabout Bushdog Mash67 13 Places remaining & I will update this post as required. Cheers, Tiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaken Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Change of plan. I'm in. Rup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Anymore takers? The first shoot was excellent, this one promises to be even better so come on and sign up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisme Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I'm still waiting for my FAC to come back. If there's space when it dose I'll be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateo Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Would love to However trying to get any modern-day combination of field shooting, land permissions and then NOT be subject to an onerous 'mentoring condition', is becoming virtually 100% impossible Sadly I cannot see Hampshire ever giving me the nod Can I have field shooting condition? - "not without the necessary experience" Can I get the necessary experience? - "not without a mentor" Can I get a mentor? - "not without a field shooting condition" Considering my recent background this is an utter clusterspiral staircase of a system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateo Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Bizarrely 'cluster-spiral staircase' auto-translates into 'cluster-spiral staircase'?!? Which seem oddly apt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Anymore takers? The first shoot was excellent, this one promises to be even better so come on and sign up. Thanks for the ongoing support. It's just over three weeks away now and still plenty of spaces left! Don't all rush at once...... Lateo - if you have suitable land permissions 'in hand', contact BASC and I'm sure they'll help getting fox/deer/AOLQ etc. added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateo Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Cheers Tiff... I'm still battling away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoot Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Still abroad been juggling dates but looks like a no go this time I'm afraid Tiff. Hope it goes as well as last time and the weather is kind to you all. Enjoy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Thanks for the ongoing support. It's just over three weeks away now and still plenty of spaces left! Don't all rush at once...... Lateo - if you have suitable land permissions 'in hand', contact BASC and I'm sure they'll help getting fox/deer/AOLQ etc. added. Tiff, I'm a possible. I'm just waiting on MJR - I'm dependent on him for a loan rifle for the day as I'm currently rifleless. Should be able to give go/no go later today. It'll be both of us or neither of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 BD You could always borrow one of my ARs as I'm shooting the T2K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff Posted September 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 Tiff, I'm a possible. I'm just waiting on MJR - I'm dependent on him for a loan rifle for the day as I'm currently rifleless. Should be able to give go/no go later today. It'll be both of us or neither of us Hi BD, Unfortunately you cannot shoot the day with a borrowed rifle I'm afraid - since there is no legal way of doing this outside of a range/H.O. approved club or using the estate rifle....Would love to be told otherwise (make life a lot easier for people), but I have not been able to find it in the guidance/law However if you have .308 / 7.62x51 on your FAC so you can bring your own ammo (I can provide load data etc.) & a scope in Picatinny mounts ready to attach, you are more than welcome to borrow the 'Estate Rifle' - an AIAE MKIII 7.62X51 20" + brake in Viperskins . You will get a chance to zero etc. before it starts. Is that any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 I think, it's legal to borrow a rifle if you're a FAC holder and stay in the company of the person lending it - no different, for eg, to shooters on a range asking to take a couple of shots through each other's rifles. Scope -thanks, yup could do that I'll drop you a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted September 10, 2013 Report Share Posted September 10, 2013 I think, it's legal to borrow a rifle if you're a FAC holder and stay in the company of the person lending it - no different, for eg, to shooters on a range asking to take a couple of shots through each other's rifles. Scope -thanks, yup could do that I'll drop you a PM. Only if the person lending the rifle is the 'occupier' of the land (or servant thereof) , ie, Tiff, thus the offer of the 'estate rifle' So, in theory, if I'm foxing, my lamp man can't use my rifle, unless it is on a farm I'm 'employed by the occupier' to do pest control on. Thankfully, keeping any game or deer I take satisfies 'payment of employ' thus making me a 'servant of the occupier' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Only if the person lending the rifle is the 'occupier' of the land (or servant thereof) , ie, Tiff, thus the offer of the 'estate rifle' So, in theory, if I'm foxing, my lamp man can't use my rifle, unless it is on a farm I'm 'employed by the occupier' to do pest control on. Thankfully, keeping any game or deer I take satisfies 'payment of employ' thus making me a 'servant of the occupier' Think that's the situation if the borrower doesn't have a FAC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Tiff, I'm a possible. I'm just waiting on MJR - I'm dependent on him for a loan rifle for the day as I'm currently rifleless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Think that's the situation if the borrower doesn't have a FAC? and that makes what difference ?? Your FAC is a licence for you to hold and use the guns listed, that's it. It doesn't mean that because you have a 308 listed, that you can use 'any' 308. It doesn't make you special, it doesn't give you super powers. As far as 'estate rifle' rules go, it doesn't differentiate between FAC holders or not, as long as the 'borrower' is over 14, and isn't a prohibited person (ie, spent over six months at her majesty's pleasure) then that's it. If 'bob' can lend you a rifle, and he isn't the occupier, then the way to do it, is to add it to your FAC as 'lent' assuming you have a spare slot. If tiff lends you one, as the occupier, that's fine, as long as you are accompanied by him. And, you must use that rifle within the conditions for it on the FAC it is listed on, so if it doesn't have (for eg) deer, you can't use it on deer, even if your ticket has deer for any or all of your guns listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mash67 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 can you borrow a firearm as long as you have a spare slot for up to 3 days before you have to enter it on your fac or is/.was this just for shotguns,or have i totaly got it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Nope. It must be entered. 72 hour rule is sec2 shotgun only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 An occupier is anyone who has been granted permission to shoot on the ground. This was covered today in the bds deer management course i atended, in the legal section of the course. It means when i am guiding for no reward or wage,on someone else's lease, i can lend my rifle to a non prohibited person. Fact. According to chris howard and the bds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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