adam204 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I have just had my fac renewed and when filling in the variation forms I stated that my .204 ruger will be used for crow, rabbit, fox and vermin and pest control. I had it back today saying I may use the .204 for the shooting of foxes and zeroig on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police. Does this mean that I cannot shoot rabbits and crows? Has anyone else come across this? Had a problem along these lines? Thanks Adam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967spud Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 yes you need to get it to state vermin as well as the old bill dont class foxes as vermin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldon Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Had similar problems before, contact your FEO and explain. They will probably want your ticket back. Make sure you have signed it before you return it as it is an offence not to if they are being picky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxwhistler Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 I phoned Dyfed Powys firearms on wednesday to ask if i could have vermin added to fox on my cert. They asked what caliber, and i told them 204. The woman asked if that would be overkill. I told them there was no such thing as overkill, only underkill. She told me to send in a letter to ask for vermin to be added and the management would have a look at it! Have to see what happen`s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auquhollie Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Got fox,vermin and ground game on all my centre fires. Seems scottish firearms dept's are a little more relaxed. Ads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967spud Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Got fox,vermin and ground game on all my centre fires. Seems scottish firearms dept's are a little more relaxed. Ads ive got both my .243 ai and 6.5-284 passed for fox deer and vermin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berger Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Ive got 243 and 7mm wsm passed for fox and deer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tiff Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Got vermin, ground game, fox and deer on all my rifles. I suggested that if it's safe to shoot a deer, then it's safe to shoot a rabbit. Pointing out the type of animal was immaterial, just the backstop that was important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sprags Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 I have Deer, Fox, vermin and ground game on my .243. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam204 Posted June 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Thanks for the replies lads. I will ring BASC monday and get there information on it. They may also be able to give me some words I can put forward to my feo that will chnge their minds. I will keep you all posted. Thanks again. Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Thanks for the replies lads. I will ring BASC monday and get there information on it. They may also be able to give me some words I can put forward to my feo that will chnge their minds.I will keep you all posted. Thanks again. Adam Adam, What other calibre rifle's do you own and can shoot vermin with??? You certainly should have no problems in getting it changed to have vermin added. This is from the BASC site; Change to firearms certificates conditions and calibres 11 June 2009 A new condition for firearms certificates, which would allow shooters with larger calibre rifles to take smaller pest species, has been approved by the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group (FELWG). The following condition can now be applied where firearms licensing managers think it is practical to do so: “The (rifle/ sound moderator/ firearms / ammunition) shall be used for shooting (Named Principal Quarry Species) and any other lawful quarry, and for zeroing on ranges, on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated* and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot.” *This wording may be removed to produce the less restrictive (open) condition. This means rifle users will now be able to have their firearm certificate conditions amended so they can take lesser species including foxes, ground game and other pest species. In the past some Chief Officers have prohibited the taking of smaller pest species with larger calibre rifles. Certificate holders need to deal with reasonable eventualities when managing estates and wildlife and now with the help of ACPO FELWG, this new policy should make wildlife management easier without compromise to public safety or animal welfare. This practice has been applied in Scotland for some time now without problem. The ACPO Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group now recommends this approach to all forces as policy in England & Wales, however it must be remembered that it is still for individual chief constables to make their own decisions. BASC hopes that reasonable applications for this condition will not be refused. Anyone who requires their certificate condition to be amended is invited to submit their certificates to their respective force Firearms Licensing Departments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemasis243 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Some years ago I had a little bit of hastle having my 270 opened up for foxes , so all I said in a letter ,If I am going away shooting could I have a letter from the Firearms dept, saying it would be ok to leave my foxing rifle in the car when I was deer stalking, as I would be shooting foxes at night and needed to take the approved callibre, It wasnt long before they give it to me. You just have to state your case ,but with a 204 I wouldnt have thought there would have been an issue for vermin or fox ,thats what it was designed for. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigun Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 on my ticket , for the .204 i have fox and vermin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menial 1 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 My rifles have deer, fox, vermin and ground game except the .308 which has feral goat as well. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I have vermin and fox on all my rifles apart from the .375H&H. That includes .300WM so you should be fine with a little reasoning. Plus you had it before so you can kick up a fuss that they've removed it. The chances are it's a simple mistake so just a polite note and your FAC will probably get it sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 just got mine back friday .243 & .308 for deer fox and any other legal quarry .223 for munjac, CWD, fox, vermin and any other legal quarry .22rf for vermin and any other legal quarry when i sent it away forthe 1 for 1 on the .223 it didnt have the "any other legal quarry" bits. i guess its pretty well sorted now, as long as calibre does not infringe any law/act i can shoot anyhing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I have All deer species, fox, vermin and ground game for the 257. Munjac, CWD, fox, vermin and ground game for my 22-250 Vermin and ground game for my .22LR I purposely asked not to have fox added to the .22LR list as i dont think it is an adequate calibre in all but very favourable conditions As i am a member of a rifle club i can also use all rifles for target shooting as well. Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam204 Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Adam, What other calibre rifle's do you own and can shoot vermin with??? You certainly should have no problems in getting it changed to have vermin added. This is from the BASC site; Change to firearms certificates conditions and calibres 11 June 2009 A new condition for firearms certificates, which would allow shooters with larger calibre rifles to take smaller pest species, has been approved by the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group (FELWG). The following condition can now be applied where firearms licensing managers think it is practical to do so: “The (rifle/ sound moderator/ firearms / ammunition) shall be used for shooting (Named Principal Quarry Species) and any other lawful quarry, and for zeroing on ranges, on land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated* and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot.” *This wording may be removed to produce the less restrictive (open) condition. This means rifle users will now be able to have their firearm certificate conditions amended so they can take lesser species including foxes, ground game and other pest species. In the past some Chief Officers have prohibited the taking of smaller pest species with larger calibre rifles. Certificate holders need to deal with reasonable eventualities when managing estates and wildlife and now with the help of ACPO FELWG, this new policy should make wildlife management easier without compromise to public safety or animal welfare. This practice has been applied in Scotland for some time now without problem. The ACPO Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group now recommends this approach to all forces as policy in England & Wales, however it must be remembered that it is still for individual chief constables to make their own decisions. BASC hopes that reasonable applications for this condition will not be refused. Anyone who requires their certificate condition to be amended is invited to submit their certificates to their respective force Firearms Licensing Departments. I actually spoke to BASC today and they told me the same thing and e mailed me a copy of the new amendment. I am handing in a letter tomorrow with my ticket to get it changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
british bulldog Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 My .204 is ok for fox and vermin in North Yorkshire,but my mate that lives in West Yorkshire can only get fox on his cert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weejohn Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 mine says . The firearm (s) and ammunition shall be used for the lawful shooting of vermin, ground game, fox, deer and for zeroing on suitable land over which the certificate holder has the authority to shoot. I have a .243, .22 and .17hmr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldon Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Funny what bulldog said as my mate in north yorkshire can get fox and deer on his 308 but not vermin. Whereas I in west yorkshire have all 3 on mine for the 308. Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Funny what bulldog said as my mate in north yorkshire can get fox and deer on his 308 but not vermin. Whereas I in west yorkshire have all 3 on mine for the 308. Go figure There's an easy answer to that. The heads of the firearms departments allow what they want to allow, not what they are supposed to allow! It is quite frustrating for some people I imagine. It really bugs me that I can't have my .375H&H for Deer here, but that's nothing really. There's a guy on here who can't get vermin on his .223 so had to buy a Hornet too. That really stinks, he's more experienced than I am by a long way and I can have bunnies with .300WM if I decide I want to waste the powder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldon Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 The cop out (pun intended) is that it is all at the discretion of the chief officer for the area. One set of rules would definetly make it easier for all but which set would it be. As it suits me I will stay with the current system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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