foxing2night Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Hi gents, Been down the fields to try some new loads???? 44g of varget 150g nosler rem 91/2 primer Results?? well they speak for themselves!!!!! Distance 100 yards Neck sized only on redding comp dies,,,, I would like to say a big thank you to Jamie and Martin for the heads up All the best ,,Darrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Good going Darrel, any idea what speed they are going at? My rifle is a bit touchy with 150gr Nos bt's, horrible groups with 45.5gr varget managed 3/4" with 42.5gr h335. Think my rifle doesn't like them going too fast. 44gr might be my answer too. I have 1in10 twist. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streeker59 Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 That is such a sweet group... I've just bought some 155 Nosler comp bullets fron Reloading solutions. I'll be trying out N140 & Varget. Hope they group as well as your 150s do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stag1933 Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Varget is a good powder which flows well and measures accurately but I have found it to be variable from one tub to another. I was grouping very well as on the left target but when that tub was empty and I started a new one the group had spread to 1.5 inches. The 2 shot group on the right was with the Hornady 150gr. Round-nose bullet. My Sako has a 1 in 10 twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxing2night Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Good going Darrel,any idea what speed they are going at? My rifle is a bit touchy with 150gr Nos bt's, horrible groups with 45.5gr varget managed 3/4" with 42.5gr h335. Think my rifle doesn't like them going too fast. 44gr might be my answer too. I have 1in10 twist. edi Hi Edi, I think that they are doing around the 2650- 2700,,, Same load with 155 scenars will give the same good groups!!! Also Vit 140 loaded to 46.5 with the scenars will bug hole as well,,, smallist group was .400,,, running at 2950 My rifle is a Aw308 with a 1-12 twist These are the only two loads that i have tried,, as i have only had it three weeks,, Now i will play with the O>A>L and see what happens????? All the best from wales, Darrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Leave the 155 Scenar seat depth alone mate, its perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Hi Edi, I think that they are doing around the 2650- 2700,,, Same load with 155 scenars will give the same good groups!!! Also Vit 140 loaded to 46.5 with the scenars will bug hole as well,,, smallist group was .400,,, running at 2950 My rifle is a Aw308 with a 1-12 twist These are the only two loads that i have tried,, as i have only had it three weeks,, Now i will play with the O>A>L and see what happens????? All the best from wales, Darrel Darrel I'll give that a go. Never measured speed on mine but she groups very well with 165gr nos or sst's but needs either 45gr N140 or 45gr Varget which I presume will be between 2600 and 2700fps. I also ran 155gr a-maxes with only 42gr h335, very tight groups (for me) Every load that I loaded for higher speeds with 150gr heads didn't group. It would be good to have a mild and accurate 150gr load for close up work. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxing2night Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Leave the 155 Scenar seat depth alone mate, its perfect Hi my mate,, Them loads will be the only ones that i will use???? I can get varget around here!!!, But i cannot get vit 140 as yet,,, Also got some 210m primers on order,,, Andy remember to give them pannels to kall????? Speak soon,, Darrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 The panels are still with me due to unforseen circumstances (vehicle breakdown) they didnt get to Kal. Once I return from my jolly, we can work out how we get them swapped over - they look nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentsoulsleave308holes Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 buy three or more tubs, tip them all in a large plastic tub with sealing lid, shake the that which promotes growth and vigour out of it and there you have it, share it back out into the powder tubs and you have three tubs the same glad yal havin fun,,,,,,shot a sub 1/4"x5 @200the other week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentsoulsleave308holes Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 info.......if it aint worth sharing it aint worth knowing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Darrel I'll give that a go. Never measured speed on mine but she groups very well... but needs either 45gr N140 or 45gr Varget which I presume will be between 2600 and 2700fps. edi 45 of ADI-2208 (sold as Varget outside Australasia) is an extremely common load behind 155 Sierras/Lapuas here for NRA shooting. Gives a solid 2900, often 2950 in 30" Palma barrels. Chris NZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldon Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 ejg, I shoot a similar load to you and I am getting just over 2700 (24'' barrel) so you should be around there. 44.5grs V140 165 grs sierra hp lapua cases and cci primers and they shoot real well in mine. Best group I've had was 3/8ths in factory barrel. I was going to use varget but got told the Vit powders were cleaner and more consistent? is that the general feeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxing2night Posted May 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 info.......if it aint worth sharing it aint worth knowing TOP MAN!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Eldon, I'm between n140 and varget with the 308, They both seem quite clean, varget works well with the 165 sst's and n140 works well with 165 nos bt's . If I back off 1/2gr on either the groups open. Many say Varget is not as temperatur sensitive. Is that true? My gut says my loads with varget have less pressure than with the n140. Also in my 22-250 Varget is the winner up to now. With CCI BR I also noticed what Hubert said that POI was 1/2" down when a new tub was opened. Would be nice to have one powder for all. So much more to test eh. edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentsoulsleave308holes Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 mix the sit out of em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxing2night Posted May 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 mix the sit out of em Thinking on !!!! It does make sence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldon Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Eldon, I'm between n140 and varget with the 308,They both seem quite clean, varget works well with the 165 sst's and n140 works well with 165 nos bt's . If I back off 1/2gr on either the groups open. Many say Varget is not as temperatur sensitive. Is that true? My gut says my loads with varget have less pressure than with the n140. Also in my 22-250 Varget is the winner up to now. With CCI BR I also noticed what Hubert said that POI was 1/2" down when a new tub was opened. Would be nice to have one powder for all. So much more to test eh. edi I was between the 2 but went for 140. I also tried 165 SST's but they didn't go very well with 140. On the temperature thing my load is ok for most temps but in summer with a hot barrel and warmish rounds (from sun) the bolt can get sticky after a few (10+) yet other times of the year this never happens so maybe their right. V140 @ 46grs and 150 bts were an accurate load if you want a 150grain recipe. Lots of info and recipes on snipershide and a lot of people rate varget highly. Just to mess you up further, On the pressure side of things whilst previously messing with a computer programme Rel 15 gave better speed for less pressure than V140! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Many say Varget is not as temperatur sensitive. Is that true? edi Quite true, it's very stable over wide temperature ranges. From several experiences in my .223 varmint rifle, I had the feeling Win 748 (which is capable of 3000fps out of 30" barrels with a 155 .308) was fairly temp sensitive but thorough testing my clubmate who developed the loads for the recent NZ Palma team showed that 747 (its very slightly faster brother) was surprisingly stable. I can't remember the exact figures but it was bugger-all anyway even when the rounds were heated to near untouchable in the sun before shooting immediately. It made me revisit 748 in the .223 which always shot well. One advantage that this ball powder has over stick powders (other than smoother throwing) is that it's nicer on the barrel. Lower flame temp so you can expect less throat erosion. Chris NZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Chris, never heard of anybody using the win powders around here. I'm loading for my 22" hunting rifle, not too concerned about the max speed but looking for good consistancy. Would be nice to have something reliable out to 300yds under all weather conditions. That also groups well with or without moderator. Eldon, got 3 to mess around with that's enough. for now edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Chris, never heard of anybody using the win powders around here.I'm loading for my 22" hunting rifle, not too concerned about the max speed but looking for good consistancy. Would be nice to have something reliable out to 300yds under all weather conditions. That also groups well with or without moderator. edi What cals were you loading for? Proj weights? My top gunsmith clubmate (who I'll be seeing today) has done extensive testing on F-Class rigs in 6BR, 6 Dasher, 6x47 Lapua, 6.5 Swede AI and has just got together a 6.5x47 Lapua. He tends to use Vit powders these days but has tried all sorts. Over ~30 yrs of shooting NRA, he tried about every possibility on .308 loads. Likewise his gunsmithing business partner who developed the Palma Team ammo. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejg223 Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 highjacked Darrel's thread nicely, sorry Chris I mentioned earlier my 308 seems to like 165's Nos & sst's, 167 scenar, 155 a-max & vld's. Didn't like any 150's and nos bt's except when running em slower. Not enough tests done. Doesn't really matter if 150 or 165 as long as consistent. I'll start testing again in august, just before our season. cheers edi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Chris I mentioned earlier my 308 seems to like 165's Nos & sst's, 167 scenar, 155 a-max & vld's.Didn't like any 150's and nos bt's except when running em slower. Not enough tests done. Doesn't really matter if 150 or 165 as long as consistent. I'll start testing again in august, just before our season. cheers edi Straight off the top of my head Edi, I'd put 44.5 - 45 of Varget behind a 155 Sierra Palma proj, say 0.3mm off the throat. This is assuming you're only blasting paper and small varmints. Those things vaporize when they hit something solid- we only ever find fragments at our private range. Would be impressive on rabbits I'm sure. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxing2night Posted May 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 highjacked Darrel's thread nicely, sorry Chris I mentioned earlier my 308 seems to like 165's Nos & sst's, 167 scenar, 155 a-max & vld's. Didn't like any 150's and nos bt's except when running em slower. Not enough tests done. Doesn't really matter if 150 or 165 as long as consistent. I'll start testing again in august, just before our season. cheers edi N problem lad,s !!!! I have enjoyed the reading,,,,, Darrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streeker59 Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 .308 on a bunny????? Smack em, unwrap em, gut em & cook em with one shot.... Mmm maybe i should try that..save me getting smelly fingers....No cracks please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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