triggersqueezer Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 i like the look of this,reading the diggle web site and after very much enjoying the egg shoot i think this could be a good place to start.have i read it right its bipod and rear rest 223 and 308.would the 308 not have a great advantage over the 223 at 600?can i start at any point in the year?and how often are the comps? any help info and advice would be great thanks mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnery Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 i like the look of this,reading the diggle web site and after very much enjoying the egg shoot i think this could be a good place to start.have i read it right its bipod and rear rest 223 and 308.would the 308 not have a great advantage over the 223 at 600?can i start at any point in the year?and how often are the comps? any help info and advice would be great thanks mike Hi Mike .223 and 308 on bipod and bag bag is FTR and is great to shoot the .223 can hold its own against 308 at that range but the right man to talk to is Laurie i am sure he will be along shortly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 thanks gunnery the more info on ftr people can give the better please.what do i need shooting card etc?memberships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 thanks gunnery the more info on ftr people can give the better please.what do i need shooting card etc?memberships? there is a 500 ftr/fclass match on saturday just come along with at least 30rnds and whatever set up you have. you can shoot as a guest under the wing of another member -you pay for the comp and as a non member a range fee be there for 9.30 its a very good relaxed atmosphere and will suite a novice to target shooting. im sure Laurie or Vince will add to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 i joined offas dyke as they shoot at kingsbury which is close to me,i have only shot once and not for one min do i mean to sound negatve but the norm seems to shoot and patch so at the end of it i have no real idea how i shot.no group size or target to look at or info to build on.if i'm honest i thought diggle was a bit far but after the egg shoot and fly last year i feel it could be well worth the trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 i like the look of this,reading the diggle web site and after very much enjoying the egg shoot i think this could be a good place to start.have i read it right its bipod and rear rest 223 and 308.would the 308 not have a great advantage over the 223 at 600?can i start at any point in the year?and how often are the comps? any help info and advice would be great thanks mike You will be most welcome to shoot with us at Diggle. We shoot F Class/FTR every fortnight. Course of fire is always 2 sighters and 20 to count. We like to get going by 10.30am so aim to get to the range for about 10.00am. You can shoot as a visitor initially - no shooter card needed - just bring your FAC. If you would like to join eventually - no problem. If you are in the F/TR class it's 308 or 223 - shot off a bi-pod and with a back-bag. The obvious choice is 308 but there are always those who like a challenge! There is always a wide range of shooters from GB Team standard to raw beginners. As Gary W says, we've a 500 yd shoot this Saturday - please come along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 thankyou guys,i'm going to try and come on saterday with my trusty fatboy 223.a 308 would of course be an advantage but i'm loving the 223 and as look would have it don't mind being taken to school .so far i have been lucky ,for the fly last year and the egg this year the wind was not to bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 thankyou guys,i'm going to try and come on saterday with my trusty fatboy 223.a 308 would of course be an advantage but i'm loving the 223 and as look would have it don't mind being taken to school .so far i have been lucky ,for the fly last year and the egg this year the wind was not to bad. i shot next to you at the egg shoot you were showing me the .223 bring it along if its a good day-no gale force winds-enjoy the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 i joined offas dyke as they shoot at kingsbury which is close to me,i have only shot once and not for one min do i mean to sound negatve but the norm seems to shoot and patch so at the end of it i have no real idea how i shot.no group size or target to look at or info to build on.if i'm honest i thought diggle was a bit far but after the egg shoot and fly last year i feel it could be well worth the trip. I was at Kingsbury on Sunday shooting on target 12 with the Hereford and Worc club. The trick is to make use of plot cards and this shows you your group size. Someone at Offas will show you how to fill in the cards. If not come over the next time we shoot there and I'll show you what to do. Cheers Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 thankyou guys,i'm going to try and come on saterday with my trusty fatboy 223.a 308 would of course be an advantage but i'm loving the 223 and as look would have it don't mind being taken to school .so far i have been lucky ,for the fly last year and the egg this year the wind was not to bad. OK- look forward to seeing you - the 223 will be fine at 500 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 i shot next to you at the egg shoot you were showing me the .223 bring it along if its a good day-no gale force winds-enjoy the day. hi gary good to put a face to a name .thankyou pal hope to see you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 i shot next to you at the egg shoot you were showing me the .223 bring it along if its a good day-no gale force winds-enjoy the day. hi gary good to put a face to a name .thankyou pal hope to see you there. I was at Kingsbury on Sunday shooting on target 12 with the Hereford and Worc club. The trick is to make use of plot cards and this shows you your group size. Someone at Offas will show you how to fill in the cards. If not come over the next time we shoot there and I'll show you what to do. Cheers Mark thanks mark i have asked at offas if i can masking tape my own targets up when i shoot but have not heard back yet as john sadly lost his wife just over a week ago.but this ftr sounds up my street and a bit of friendly competition allways helps improve your skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnery Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 you will have a good day sat i was with gary when you where showing us the fatboy you wont have any trouble with that competeing diggle is a relaxed shoot and friendly you will enjoy it hope to see you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 you will have a good day sat i was with gary when you where showing us the fatboy you wont have any trouble with that competeing diggle is a relaxed shoot and friendly you will enjoy it hope to see you there. well i'm 90% sure i'm coming so i look forward to meeting up with you chaps again and thanks to all for the advice and welcome . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 well i went to diggle today,it was up there with any days shooting i have had.the weather was spot on and the welcome very warm.a special thanks to garyw for showing me the ropes today.a big thanks to vince laurie gunnery for their time before and during.it was a deal clencher for me and i have decided to become a member.the 2 hour each way drive is well worth it to shoot in such a nice spot with a good crowd.the trusty 223 was doing me proud but i think chris p must have forgotten his glasses as he could not see 2 of my shots despite them being very close to the bull somewere but i wont hold it against him . see you all again soon mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnery Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 you are welcome Mike glad you enjoyed it and we will see you again dont get to freindly with Gary w he will learn you a lot of bad habits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 Mike glad you enjoyed it and some fine weather for a change -sorry for porno pete spoiling the shooting hes a pain in the ass. hope you can get back up -good shooting today with your .223. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 I'm glad you enjoyed it Mike - see you again. Only don't expect todays' weather every time - it's reserved for one day per year maximum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 i was out again today at kingsbury i found out a few things. a 308 has no real drop or wind advantage out to 600 infact the 223 with 75 amax was better at fighting wind and a bit flatter.i thought those 308 heavys would have been much better. whilst shooting today i managed a cracking bull on the wrong target so it looks like with one eye on the wind flag one on my level one on the target i seem to run out of eyeballs when it comes to checking the number. in short there is a remote chance it wasn't chris needing speks and was most likely me shooting the wrong target yesterday.i'm supprised no one shouted up mind. mental note to self shoot the correct target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatzi Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Strange i didnt see yours, i saw the other 64 shots that hit the target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 i was out again today at kingsbury i found out a few things. a 308 has no real drop or wind advantage out to 600 infact the 223 with 75 amax was better at fighting wind and a bit flatter.i thought those 308 heavys would have been much better. whilst shooting today i managed a cracking bull on the wrong target so it looks like with one eye on the wind flag one on my level one on the target i seem to run out of eyeballs when it comes to checking the number. in short there is a remote chance it wasn't chris needing speks and was most likely me shooting the wrong target yesterday.i'm supprised no one shouted up mind. mental note to self shoot the correct target. That's interesting. My experience when in the butts and marking targets at Kingsbury is that the .308 beats the pants off the .223. In windy conditions I've noticed much larger groups from the smaller calibre shooters. Is there a technical/ballistics answer to this that either proves or disproves my observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 That's interesting. My experience when in the butts and marking targets at Kingsbury is that the .308 beats the pants off the .223. In windy conditions I've noticed much larger groups from the smaller calibre shooters. Is there a technical/ballistics answer to this that either proves or disproves my observations. i sat there and ran it through bullet flight example 10 mph wind at 600 my 223 = -34.3 in 308 168grn = -36.1 150 grn 308 =38.4 drop at 600 223 - 91.3 308 168grn -102.3 150 grn 308 =96.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 If you run it through the Sierra ballistics calculator for the 155 grain bullet compared to the .223 75 grainer, both the drop and wind drift for the .308 is less than the .223. I have also found through experience on my home range at Severnside, where a 10 mph wind is a calm day, the .223 loses out against the .308 once you get beyond 200 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted May 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 If you run it through the Sierra ballistics calculator for the 155 grain bullet compared to the .223 75 grainer, both the drop and wind drift for the .308 is less than the .223. I have also found through experience on my home range at Severnside, where a 10 mph wind is a calm day, the .223 loses out against the .308 once you get beyond 200 yards. just added 150 grn still worse bud how much was the difference through your calculator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillo Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 I'll post the exact stats tomorrow (I'm using my laptop which doesn't have the Sierra Ballistics software on) but if you go by muzzle energy (ME) alone a 75 grain bullet with a MV of 3000 fps has a max muzzle energy of 2032 joules whereas a 155 grainer with a MV of 2800 has a ME of 3660 J. This tells you that bullet drop and the wind effect of the .308 is less than the .223. From memory, at 600 yds with a 10 mph wind, the .308 is 4mins less than the 223. I can only add that when its been my turn in the butts the 223 loses out to the 308 in windy conditions. I'm sure that Laurie and Vince will bear and this. Download Strelok to your smart phone and you'll see the ballistics favour the .308 after 200 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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