andybrock Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 What day scope are you guys using with your archer NV these days and what would you recommend. I've got a NXS 8-32 x 56 would this be suitable or even on 8x would that be to higher mag as I'm led to believe the archer doubles the magnification. Thank's Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 What day scope are you guys using with your archer NV these days and what would you recommend. I've got a NXS 8-32 x 56 would this be suitable or even on 8x would that be to higher mag as I'm led to believe the archer doubles the magnification. Thank's Andy Hm... I think an 8x is going to affect the benefit of using your N/V at distance especially as you say the Archers is x2. I have the 5.5 - 22 NXS and it is fine with that scope. I believe the makers if you asked them would recommend one of the MTC scopes - thankfully they are not too expensive. A friend recently put an MTC Tiapen (think 4-16) in front of his Archer and is well pleased with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveW Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 Andy, I reckon your scope would be fine, depending on the tube in your Archer. I've used a 5.5-22 x 56 Nightforce with the NP R2 & S&B PMII for many years with the Archer, it worked flawlessly for me. It was possible to attain perfect sight picture with the mag right up to x22/x25. My Archer was a 50mm lens which as I understand does indeed double the veiwed image, so x10 on scope would be x20 roughly. I only use mine as a spotter now, and changed the lens to a 100mm. HTH Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onelesscharlie Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Andy, I reckon your scope would be fine, depending on the tube in your Archer. I've used a 5.5-22 x 56 Nightforce with the NP R2 & S&B PMII for many years with the Archer, it worked flawlessly for me. It was possible to attain perfect sight picture with the mag right up to x22/x25. My Archer was a 50mm lens which as I understand does indeed double the veiwed image, so x10 on scope would be x20 roughly. I only use mine as a spotter now, and changed the lens to a 100mm. HTH Steve Hi I currently use a Leupold 4.5-15 x 50 with no problems and have used a Leapers tactical compact in the past. Most scopes are fine however some of the specialised lens coatings on the more expensive brands can affect the infra-red transmission through the scope to the archer unit. If in doubt ring Julian at Starlight he is usually more than happy to advise. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Hi I currently use a Leupold 4.5-15 x 50 with no problems and have used a Leapers tactical compact in the past. Most scopes are fine however some of the specialised lens coatings on the more expensive brands can affect the infra-red transmission through the scope to the archer unit. If in doubt ring Julian at Starlight he is usually more than happy to advise. Colin as colin says ring julian -he will reccomend leupold i use a AGS 4-16-56 mil dot for a gen111 add on works perfectly and a lot less than a leupy.with the archer you wont want to go above 6 mag you dont need it so why buy an expansive scope to not use it as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 i use swarovski 6 - 24 x 50 pvi2 with my archer. julian warned me about the coatings but i have not found it an issue. you can shoot at longer than "stalking directory" normal daylight ranges and it is possible to use the scope on 24x mag to view and shoot(that equates to 48x i believe) but it does take a bit of getting used to and you have to keep adjusting it to find the sweet spot out at that distance. if anyone near west berkshire wants a demo and has some ground i can demonstrate - cant do it on my ground because i've shot everything!! (just kidding) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted May 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Having spoke with a chap today who has used various scopes with his archer and also Julian at starlight I think I will invest in a Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30x50mm this should give me a good day scope and one that is suitable for the archer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
223magic Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Hi I currently use a Leupold 4.5-15 x 50 with no problems and have used a Leapers tactical compact in the past. Most scopes are fine however some of the specialised lens coatings on the more expensive brands can affect the infra-red transmission through the scope to the archer unit. If in doubt ring Julian at Starlight he is usually more than happy to advise. Colin notice you hae lots of rifles there friend a good 243 would do it all !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfp Posted May 13, 2011 Report Share Posted May 13, 2011 i use a hawke frontier 6x24x50 with my archer its plenty good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
between the eyes Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I use a S&B 8 x 56 and it's just the job. Clearly see foxes at 250 yds without illumination, not an Archer though, mine is a D 1-2-1, still an add on unit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfp Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 only trouble with nightforce with an archer is you have to ajust eye relief to get reticle clear and that is a pian with nightforce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
223magic Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 I have tried and tested many scopes with the Archer, the Leupold VX111 is undoubtly very good currently using a Bushnell 6500 5-30-50 on my .223 find this as good as the Leupold and have the extra mgnification when not using the NV. I have found that the low down mag scopes perform better, for example tried two Nikko sterling night eaters with the Archer when I first started and found the 4-14 better then the 6-20 !! As I find the Bushnell very good at present Iam just about to try a Bushnell 6500 2.5-16-50 my hope is this will be even better than my 5-30 Bushnell. I will keep you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted May 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 I have tried and tested many scopes with the Archer, the Leupold VX111 is undoubtly very good currently using a Bushnell 6500 5-30-50 on my .223 find this as good as the Leupold and have the extra mgnification when not using the NV. I have found that the low down mag scopes perform better, for example tried two Nikko sterling night eaters with the Archer when I first started and found the 4-14 better then the 6-20 !! As I find the Bushnell very good at present Iam just about to try a Bushnell 6500 2.5-16-50 my hope is this will be even better than my 5-30 Bushnell. I will keep you posted. Looking forward to your findings Mike, as I'm about to buy a Bushnell, as my rifle isn't dedicated NV I'll want a scope that will perform well at either end of the day. Which reticle are you going for on your new scope? some people swear by mil dot for NV while others prefer the duplex type. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
223magic Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Looking forward to your findings Mike, as I'm about to buy a Bushnell, as my rifle isn't dedicated NV I'll want a scope that will perform well at either end of the day. Which reticle are you going for on your new scope? some people swear by mil dot for NV while others prefer the duplex type. Andy Hi Andy yes Iam looking forward to trying the lower powered Bushnell, based on past scopes I have tried this should be the best yet fingers crossed !!!, just on the reticles I did have a Leupold VX111 4.5-14-50 with a duplex reticle which was fine and now my Bushnell 5-30-50 has a mil dot reticle which is also fine, to be honest I have not noticed a difference. I think the ones to avoid with NV is the fine reticles like Varmit Duplex. Will keep you posted. Mike... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
223magic Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Bushnell 2.5-16 6500 series just arrived from the states £400 plus £29.00 customs duty the cheapest I could find in the uk was £600 plus. Hope to mount it onto the Archer tonight and do some testing. The paralax adjustments goes right down to 10 Yards which should help. I have high hopes as my Bushnell 5-30 works as good as my old Leupold VX111 did, but I have always found the lower power scope perform better with the Archer. Many scope work well as you can see from previous posts, but thats fine for 80 yard rabbits,and not for rangey foxes .I will keep you posted once testing is complete. !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted May 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Bushnell 2.5-16 6500 series just arrived from the states £400 plus £29.00 customs duty the cheapest I could find in the uk was £600 plus. Hope to mount it onto the Archer tonight and do some testing. The paralax adjustments goes right down to 10 Yards which should help. I have high hopes as my Bushnell 5-30 works as good as my old Leupold VX111 did, but I have always found the lower power scope perform better with the Archer. Many scope work well as you can see from previous posts, but thats fine for 80 yard rabbits,and not for rangey foxes .I will keep you posted once testing is complete. !!! Hope it goes well Mike and what a bargain, Ive just paid just over £600 for a Bushnell Elite 6500 5-30x50 from Binoculars UK (I think ats what they are called) for my Archer project. How did you get away with paying so little duty? when I used to buy from Sinclairs I would always get seriously nailed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
223magic Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Yes the scope was a bargin from a US ebay suplier, the 5-30 6500 are on there for about £450.00 and thay are the real deal. Ok so I went to set mine up last night and when I was putting the Archer coller on I noticed there was a sticker on the scope which said Protected by HD rain guard coating the uk ones do not have this sticker on them I checked in my local gun retailer. So on it goes and as susspected the coating has an effect on the infrared transmission, my Archer seemed down on power so did the laser I changed the batteries as a precaution but there was no improvement,I tried it on my 5-30 on my 223 and it became obvious that the rainguard coating was causing a problem, as the 5-30 was up to its usual good standard with good green light transmission. Never the less I did look at a fox at 170yards out of my bedroom window and is was clear and shootable with the paralex adjustment superior to cheaper scopes. So I have dropped a B-----k by buying one with the rain guard coating. Its still a good scope and will be mounted on my 17HMR Sako for rabbit NV work. You live and learn I hope this helps other forum members, I rate the Leupold VX111 as top and also my current Bushnell 5-30 6500 as good if you need more day time light power, as long as its not got the rain guard coating on it.!!!!!! Perhaps I should bite the bullet and buy a long bow !!!!! Good Hunting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted May 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Yes the scope was a bargin from a US ebay suplier, the 5-30 6500 are on there for about £450.00 and thay are the real deal. Ok so I went to set mine up last night and when I was putting the Archer coller on I noticed there was a sticker on the scope which said Protected by HD rain guard coating the uk ones do not have this sticker on them I checked in my local gun retailer. So on it goes and as susspected the coating has an effect on the infrared transmission, my Archer seemed down on power so did the laser I changed the batteries as a precaution but there was no improvement,I tried it on my 5-30 on my 223 and it became obvious that the rainguard coating was causing a problem, as the 5-30 was up to its usual good standard with good green light transmission. Never the less I did look at a fox at 170yards out of my bedroom window and is was clear and shootable with the paralex adjustment superior to cheaper scopes. So I have dropped a B-----k by buying one with the rain guard coating. Its still a good scope and will be mounted on my 17HMR Sako for rabbit NV work. You live and learn I hope this helps other forum members, I rate the Leupold VX111 as top and also my current Bushnell 5-30 6500 as good if you need more day time light power, as long as its not got the rain guard coating on it.!!!!!! Perhaps I should bite the bullet and buy a long bow !!!!! Good Hunting..... Mike you have just ruined my day.... the scope I just bought from a UK supplier has also got the Rain Guard HD sticker on it Just been on the Bushnell web site and the J Vickers UK importers web site and all the Elite 6500 scopes are advertised as having "rain guard" protection. I wouldn't have thought Bushnell would leave the rain guard coating off just for UK scopes would they? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
223magic Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Mike you have just ruined my day.... the scope I just bought from a UK supplier has also got the Rain Guard HD sticker on it Just been on the Bushnell web site and the J Vickers UK importers web site and all the Elite 6500 scopes are advertised as having "rain guard" protection. I wouldn't have thought Bushnell would leave the rain guard coating off just for UK scopes would they? Andy Sorry about that Andy I was unaware of this rain guard business my 5-30 6500 was purchase from the optics ware house second hand ! and must be an older model as it has no rain guard. Dont get me wrong they still work very very well but I guess with this rainguard business then it brings the Leupold VX111 back into play. I have a mate coming over this weekend with his VX111 and Archer so I intend testing his Archer my two Archers and all three scopes,perhaps Iam asking to much from the Archer and scopes as to be honest most Foxes I shoot with the NV on are between 80-120 yards. But I just like to try different things to see if I can get improvments.... still I would be better of with the Long Bow I guess. Mike... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitewatch Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 hi all i use a very early archer an envis and a latest longbow with dep xd4 tube i bought the 6500 2.5-16 bushnell and was very disappointed with it on the add ons i have tried lots of scopes now and found the best to be lightsteam 5-20x50 falcon menace 4.5-18x56 weaver grandslam 6.5-20x40 and the very best was a richter optic 4-16x50 with this on the envis i could see clearer with just a cobra l e d than with other scopes and a lazer on a moonlit night i could use 10 mag and no extra ir .the image with the longbow is nowhere near as bright as the envis but it is seriously clear and well detailed and will let anyone see much further than they will want to shoot at night regardless of what cal rifle you use .hope this is of interest to you guys regards tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted May 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 hi all i use a very early archer an envis and a latest longbow with dep xd4 tube i bought the 6500 2.5-16 bushnell and was very disappointed with it on the add ons i have tried lots of scopes now and found the best to be lightsteam 5-20x50 falcon menace 4.5-18x56 weaver grandslam 6.5-20x40 and the very best was a richter optic 4-16x50 with this on the envis i could see clearer with just a cobra l e d than with other scopes and a lazer on a moonlit night i could use 10 mag and no extra ir .the image with the longbow is nowhere near as bright as the envis but it is seriously clear and well detailed and will let anyone see much further than they will want to shoot at night regardless of what cal rifle you use .hope this is of interest to you guys regards tony Hi Tony, Thanks for your reply and advice, do you also think that it was the rain guard coating that gave you poor performance with the Bushnell and NV? My trouble is that I need a good scope for low light early morning / late evening but will also be suitable for the Archer. Cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitewatch Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Hi Tony, Thanks for your reply and advice, do you also think that it was the rain guard coating that gave you poor performance with the Bushnell and NV? My trouble is that I need a good scope for low light early morning / late evening but will also be suitable for the Archer. Cheers Andy hi andy i think it may be the rainguard coating but the bushnell also does not have much travel distance on the side focus certainly not as much as the other scopes mentioned or alot of front focus scopes but they are a pain to use because of reach ithink the richter is your best bet as though cheep its built like a tank and holds zero if not get the lightsteam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 lads what price are the archer add ons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted May 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 lads what price are the archer add ons? Scotch, They start around £1600 and up from there depending on which grade you want. The starlight website has all the various prices. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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