Horus Vision Rocks!

[DMCI]

Being a Yank from across the pond, it is always on my mind to try to be politically acceptable to you folks. Not to rave about our technological superiority, I mean the spitfire was a great plane but the P-51D would do everything it would do and do it for 9 hours. Things like that.

 

But my friend Dennis at Horus vision has some really great technology. Let's start with a simple item.

 

Here it is:

 

 

This device not only has a level in it, but also directly provides multiplier for cosine rule for shooting on inclines. Your friend Newton suggested that a projectile is only affected by Gravity by the vertical vector for its travel path, so the inclined travel distance has to be multiplied cosine of the angle of incidence to get the effective travel distance. Greater the angle, the greater the effect.

 

Now if you have a military mind. (Lots of money and love of technology) you can go with this:

 

[Foxshooter]

You'd be better off with a BORS unit. It works it all out for you after you input the range. Even has anti cant built in

 

Mark

[DMCI]

You'd be better off with a BORS unit. It works it all out for you after you input the range. Even has anti cant built in

 

Mark

 

Mark:

 

Thank you for your insightful question.

 

Here is a little more about the system:

 

 

Features

 

Links Vectronix Laser Range Finder (LRF) with Horus ATrag Ballistics Calculator

 

Vectronix' LRFs contain finest quality optics that instantly provide accurate target data at various ranges

 

Horus ATragMX Ballistics Software puts aiming solutions at users' fingertips in a rugged, combat-proven device

 

Transmits ranging data directly from LRF to ballistics calculator with the single push of a button

 

No need to manually enter ranges into device

 

Instantly displays solutions for multiple targets in multiple zones for any gun in gun list

 

The only integrated solution of its kind available

 

 

 

LRF Specs

 

 

 

PLRF 15C SPECS

 

 

Range Finder (distance)

 

Laser Type (IR Diode): 1550nm

 

Range Capability: 5m to 3000m

 

Specified Performance: 2500m (2.3m x 2.3m target, albedo 0.4, detection rate 90% at visibility 15km)

 

Accuracy: ±2m (50m to 1500m), ±5m (<50m / >1500m)

 

Beam Divergence: 0.5 x 2.0mil

 

Optics

 

 

Observation: monocular

 

Magnification: 6x

 

Reticle: red LED square and crosshair reticle with 5mil graduation

 

Field of View: 6˚ (106mil)

 

1064nm Laser Protection: attenuation factor O.D. >4

 

Power Supply: Standard, on board 2x 3V lithium battery: type CR123A

 

Battery Capacity: > 5000 measurements

 

Physical/General

 

 

Dimensions: 5.0 x 4.0 x 2.6 inches (125 x 101 x 65mm)

 

Weight: 1.5lbs

 

Digital Magnetic Compass

 

 

Azimuth Accuracy: ±0.6°

 

Inclination Accuracy: ±0.2°

 

Maximum Inclination Angle: 45 ° in any direction

 

Multiple Measurements: up to three objects in line-of-sight

 

MOSKITO SPECS

 

 

Range Finder (distance)

 

Laser Type (IR Diode): 1550nm

 

Range Capability: 5m to 10000m

 

Specified Performance: 4000m (2.3m x 2.3m target, albedo 0.3, detection rate 90% at visibility 10km)

 

Accuracy: ±5m

 

Beam Divergence: ~0.5 x 0.9mil

 

Optics

 

 

Observation: monocular

 

Magnification: Day: 5x; Night: 3x

 

Reticle: Day: glass reticle with 5mil graduation; Night: projected orange dot

 

Field of View: 6.25º (111mil); Night: 10.5 º (187mil)

 

1064nm Laser Protection: Attenuation factor O.D.>4

 

Power Supply: Standard, on board 2x 3V lithium battery, type CR123A

 

Battery Capacity: Day: >4000 measurements; Night: ~24 hrs night vision operation plus ~2000 measurements

 

Physical/General

 

 

Dimensions: 5.1 x 7.3 x 3.0 inches (130 x 185 x 75mm)

 

Weight: 1200g / 2.65lbs

 

 

[baldie]

9 hours eh ? Just as well....you fella,s didn,t join in while 1942. Some catching up to do.

 

Most if not all that gear is european isn,t it ?

 

Regardless of where its made....its very nice, and i want it.

[Ronin]

OMG

 

 

Vectronix, linked to PDA, ,,,,,,

 

 

 

 

need to change shorts..... :wub:

 

 

 

 

The Horus ret, has always seemed a little "busy" for me to be honest.

[brown dog]

Vectronix, linked to PDA, ,,,,,,

 

You can always depend on me to be the miserable bloke ;

 

Vectronix linked to GPS to give grid of object being lased; then lase fall of shot and give correction to hit original grid:

Perfect sense.

 

Vectronix linked to a PDA running a ballistic program to save the trouble of typing in a range field:

Ummm. Not sure if that's a fireguard or a teapot, but it's definitely made of chocolate.

[varmartin]

Very good european technology put to good use by our American friends....

A bit like the engine in the P51-D...except it was developed from a `British built` Rolls-Royce Merlin engine.

 

I would also like the PLRF Option for Christmas ...

[TonyH]

...my friend Dennis at Horus vision has some really great technology...

This device not only has a level in it, but also directly provides multiplier for cosine rule for shooting on inclines. ....

That is really neat. I like it a lot.

As for,

the spitfire was a great plane but the P-51D would do everything it would do and do it for 9 hours. Things like that.

Yeah, well, they're both great aircraft. At the start of WW2 the Spitfire, Messerschmidt 109 and even (arguably) the Hurricane outclassed any US fighter aircraft then in service. When the Mustang (name suggested apparently by a member of the British Purchasing Commission...) came along it was in response to a British design requirement, and first served IIRC in the RAF... Was greatly improved after the original Alison engine was replaced by the Rolls Royce Merlin - same engine the Spitfire had.

Regards, Tony

[DMCI]

DMCI

 

That reads more like a Horus advert than an 'interest' post.

 

Do you or Dennis want to pay to advertise Horus products here?

 

Does sound like that, don't it.

 

For the record I have no financial interest in either product. I was friends with the late John Williams of US Optics and he worked with Dennis to put the Horus H-25 in the SN-3 of which I have 2. I also bought an early version of the Software in a PDA. I met Dennis and his associates at the SHOT show and discussed their products in detail because I am a technology freak.

 

However, this bird is out of my price range at over $10K or $21K depending on version. But I think the technology is brilliant and that your members might get a kick out of hearing about it.

 

Here is what the rifle looked like when I first built it. I just wasn't happy with the MST-100 and traded it back for the SN-3.

 

 

The MST-100 worked as advertised but the cam system keyed to a particular round was too restrictive.

 

 

Below is a picture of my rifle with the USO Horus on it. This day having sighted in the rifle at 100 yards I calculated the change for 682 yards and dialed in the windage and elevation. It got me on the paper and I was able to hit a one gallon water jug on the third shot using Federal 175grain Gold Match. The third shot was due to windage and not elevation which was dead solid perfect and my handloads which deliver the 175 SMHP at a touch over 2600fps.

 

 

[varmartin]

Oooow , dont it look sweeet with the MST-100 sitting in its rings ..

[DMCI]

Very good european technology put to good use by our American friends....

A bit like the engine in the P51-D...except it was developed from a `British built` Rolls-Royce Merlin engine.

 

I would also like the PLRF Option for Christmas ...

 

 

Yes, in fact historians here say that the Mustang was the symbol of the partnership of the British and American people, something which I whole heartedly agree with.

 

The engine was actually built under license by Allison or some such in the states. A good partnership in which the NACA laminar flow wing played a small part.

 

Incidentally, my father was over there with the 9th Air Force P-38Ls and had fond memories of his time in England prior to D-Day. He also spent December of 1944 in Belgium which wasn't as pleasant. TAC AIR had a nasty surprise for what he called the "Krauts" after the weather cleared.It was becoming a very high tech war with the 38s going in on the deck under radar and fighting compressibity issues, cruise missiles, and jets being introduced. (FYI my mother was born in California... )

 

He said missions turn around was under an hour as after the bulge they were that close to the front lines. Their base was even attacked by V-1s.

[DMCI]

 

 

he Horus ret, has always seemed a little "busy" for me to be honest.

 

 

 

To be perfectly honest that was my first impression as well.

 

Now I look at most other reticles and I find them basically useless.

 

In the mean time a lot of scope manufacturer's are trying to sneak up on it without violating the patent.

 

In a way it's like when the first scopes were introduced and the iron sight makers said they were too delicate for use in the field. The smart guys recognizing that the military is adopting bits and pieces of the Horus System are licensing it.

 

Examples are Nightforce and Leupold.

 

I have also purchased USO scopes with Mil scale and Moa Scale reticles. Knob now always same as reticle scale, but not having the mil matrix is a disadvantage.

 

Seems perfect idiocy to me to have mil reticle and moa knobs, unless you are really good at 27.7 multiplication, etc.

[Lindy]

The PLRF can be linked to a PDA running Field Firing Solutions, which I think is a superior program for military sniper teams.

 

That combination can also accept real-time weather data - including wind direction and magnitude - over Bluetooth from a Kestrel.

 

Here's a post on that combination:

 

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=195750&Number=2186622#Post2186622

 

Software features can be found here:

 

http://www.precisionworkbench.com

[Alycidon]

Being a Yank from across the pond, it is always on my mind to try to be politically acceptable to you folks. Not to rave about our technological superiority, I mean the spitfire was a great plane but the P-51D would do everything it would do and do it for 9 hours. Things like that.

 

But it was nowhere near the plane it became untill you stuffed a Pacard built Rolls Royce Merlin engine into it, thats a British engine by the way !!

 

A

[brown dog]

The PLRF can be linked to a PDA running Field Firing Solutions, which I think is a superior program for military sniper teams.

 

Lindy, pretty surprised to read that.

 

Roughly what percentage of your military sniper school attendees are actually issued PDAs and ballistic software?

[shootingbags]

Hi DMCI,

 

I noticed from one of your previous posts that you shoot in Eastern Oregon and the location in your photo looks familiar. It's not Burns is it?

I've been there a few times and Christmas Valley shooting sage rats - had a great time !!

[DMCI]

Being a Yank from across the pond, it is always on my mind to try to be politically acceptable to you folks. Not to rave about our technological superiority, I mean the spitfire was a great plane but the P-51D would do everything it would do and do it for 9 hours. Things like that.

 

But it was nowhere near the plane it became untill you stuffed a Pacard built Rolls Royce Merlin engine into it, thats a British engine by the way !!

 

A

 

Not only that but I am surprised that no one has mentioned the little detail that British Cavity Magnetron (Radio Frequency (RF) generators) were delivered to M.I.T. by your Scientific Establishments (Randall and Boot, 1940) as part of lend lease. This allowed US to produce large numbers of Shipborne and Airborne radars that were ultimately responsible for winning the battle of the Atlantic. Once these allowed periscopes to be sighted at night the U-boats were finished. Brilliant!!

[DMCI]

Hi DMCI,

 

I noticed from one of your previous posts that you shoot in Eastern Oregon and the location in your photo looks familiar. It's not Burns is it?

I've been there a few times and Christmas Valley shooting sage rats - had a great time !!

 

Yes, in general. I would say about 50 to 100 miles from there.

[shootingbags]

Relative to your usual driving distances over there - pretty close !!!

[Lindy]

Roughly what percentage of your military sniper school attendees are actually issued PDAs and ballistic software?

 

Well, the ones we get at Rifles Only are mostly special operations types - and that equipment is pretty much universal with them. Special ops guys, from whatever branch of the service, pretty much have the budget and permission to buy whatever they want.

 

I don't know how many of the regular "Big Green Army" snipers are using them.

[brown dog]

Well, the ones we get at Rifles Only are mostly special operations types - and that equipment is pretty much universal with them. Special ops guys, from whatever branch of the service, pretty much have the budget and permission to buy whatever they want.

 

I don't know how many of the regular "Big Green Army" snipers are using them.

 

Lindy,

Blimey, I think I'm going to get lost in trans-atlantic translation here

I think it'd be a safe bet to say that no green Army snipers use issue PDAs (not sure where the oxymoron of "Italian Special Forces" sits in that spectrum ")

But, in terms of translation, when you say 'special ops types' what does that mean? I have the impression that 'special ops' is a sexy term more loosely used on your side of the pond; if you say 'special ops' over here you're saying SAS/SBS/SRR (what we'd group -confusingly to you guys- under the term 'SF'). So, my 'knee-jerk' understanding would be that you're referring to Special Forces/SEALs/Delta; but I suspect you're using the term way more broadly (?)

[DMCI]

Lindy,

Blimey, I think I'm going to get lost in trans-atlantic translation here

I think it'd be a safe bet to say that no green Army snipers use issue PDAs (not sure where the oxymoron of "Italian Special Forces" sits in that spectrum ")

But, in terms of translation, when you say 'special ops types' what does that mean? I have the impression that 'special ops' is a sexy term more loosely used on your side of the pond; if you say 'special ops' over here you're saying SAS/SBS/SRR. So, my 'knee-jerk' understanding would be that you're referring to Special Forces/SEALs/ Delta; but I suspect you're using the term more broadly (?)

 

 

From my reading you might think of the kind of people that launch from long range helicopters, torpedo tubes, HALO and HAHO, SDVs, and others.

 

Example List

[brown dog]

From my reading you might think of the kind of people that launch from long range helicopters, torpedo tubes, HALO and HAHO, SDVs, and others.

 

If you read your own country's press, you'll find that within the US the term 'spec-ops' is widely applied to town police units, mainland airport units, NASA site guards, Air Force perimeter airfield defence detachments etc...etc. Infact it often appears that in-US the label is freely applied to anyone who buys a black nomex suit or a multicam rig and cares to run around shouting 'hut, hut, hut'.

There are probably some 'spec-ops' mall units too.

Nevertheless, the interpretation you have kindly provided is the standard non-military rabbit-in-headlights response to the go-fast term.

I find it hard to digest (albeit, through my Brit lenses ) that Special Forces sniper training is outsourced to a civilian training organisation. But maybe it is - your military does things differently.

Thus, I would suspect the term is being applied to mean something other than Special Forces; that is 'specialist' rather than 'Special'. Semantic boll'x perhaps, but vastly different meanings.

Hence my clarification question to Lindy; as I believe he is not amongst the militarily illiterate.

[DMCI]

If you read your own country's press, you'll find that within the US the term 'spec-ops' is widely applied to town police units, mainland airport units, NASA site guards, Air Force perimeter airfield defence detachments etc...etc. Infact it often appears that in-US the label is freely applied to anyone who buys a black nomex suit or a multicam rig and cares to run around shouting 'hut, hut, hut'. There are probably some spec-ops mall units too

 

 

Quite Funny! My remarks were not meant to be confrontational merely conversational. The police that I know about whether big city or county, etc are often referred to as S.W.A.T. A good freind of mine a former Marine S/S platoon commander is now a police operator. He in fact on occasion has been employed to train local national guard types in pistol techniques prior to their deployment.

 

 

Shown here is his kit which he brought along to a recent get together at the range. He fired one round with his rifle hitting an 8" steel plate at nearly 700 yards. He jokingly refused to fire anymore rounds with his rifle, and spent the rest of the time shooting my AR10 which I brought for him to try.

[Lindy]

Lindy,

 

But, in terms of translation, when you say 'special ops types' what does that mean?

 

When I use the term special operations, I'm referring to military personnel who are assigned to either Special Operations Command, or the Joint Special Operations Command. That includes Army Rangers, Navy SEALs, U.S. Army Special Forces, whatever the term-of-the-day is for what is commonly called Delta Force, and some Air Force Special Operations personnel.

 

There are also some special operations personnel who don't fall under those two organizations.

 

I've seen some non-special-operations snipers using PDAs with ballistic programs, but those were personally acquired.

 

There are a bunch of people using Ballistic Cards Using Density Altitude along with Kestrel or other atmospheric data sensors, which largely obviates the need for a PDA in the field, which I why I wrote the web page on doing that linked in this sentence.