The Gun Pimp

Will you take £400 plus say a tenner postage?  If so I'll buy it.  PM me on targetshooteronline@icloud.com

A 6mm barrel with a 1 in 8 twist. The make and profile is up to you but sometimes it comes down to what your chosen gunsmith has in stock - unless you don't mind waiting.

It's a very specialised bit of kit and not easily transferable to another discipline. I shoot 6BR in 600 and 1000 yard benchrest but the stock and barrel length are not suitable for benchrest.

What other discipline could it be used for?  Maybe it could be used for Target Rifle - if re-barrelled in 308 but that will be c.£750.  A 6BR will never cut it in F Class competition.

Laurie,

I have a few if you just want to try some - I can bring 'em on Saturday if you're 'effing.

Chris - is the trigger still available?

Got mine too - thanks Matey.

I think you'll struggle to find a 'drop in' chassis. To buy a stock, get it it inletted and the action bedded would probably cost way more that you've paid for the rifle.

A few decades ago the Musgrave was well regarded in Target Rifle circles. Problem might be finding a decent trigger. Has it any scope mounts?

If it's dirt cheap - i.e  c. £200 - probably worth a punt to get you started in F Class.  How many rounds down it?

A tool looking for a job........

3 hours ago, Nick 53 said:

Hi 

is there a rifle that could be used for Fclass and Benchrest 1000 yards along with vermin control fox and deer culling?

the rifle needs to have options to take suppressor and optional mag feed .

 I will be reloading for the rifle .

any thoughts 

thanks nick 

Nick - you could use almost anything but if you mean "is there a single rifle that would be competitive in 1000 yd Bencrest and F Class and light enough to carry around the hill?"  Then get me one if you find it!

Chose the '17 - there's a massive choice of bullet for the 30-06 but very few 303.

Heard anything positive about IWA?

18 minutes ago, Mike C said:

I'm still pondering over the Lapua's as well,  however the BC of the Scenar-L is not quite as good as the Nosler or Seirra, so my thoughts are on how efficient they are going to be over the distance.

 

I could always wait until the Berger's are available 😀

And when will that be........? 

16 hours ago, terryh said:

Cheers Vince, so long as it's flat I'm Ok then?

 

t

Yep - no need to do anything with the underside. Most shooters seem to have a piece of plywood with carpet or astro-turf on one side.

18 hours ago, terryh said:

Cheers Gents,

Had input that the F-TR rules state they cannot be more than 2" wider than the bipods max extended width and cannot have spicks etc. on the underside or rails/guides for the feet on the top side.

Want to put 'something' on the underside, not sure what yet?

.....watch this space.

T

The underside must be completely flat. No pins, angle iron or the like.

Best to email AMP - they are very good at answering queries.

Yeah - forums are a great place for opinions but not facts!

But, a final word maybe from Tony Boyer (the undisputed king of short-range benchrest, where accuracy is paramount and where a barrel that won't shoot in the 'ones' is junk).

Here's what Tony says in his book

"Barrel break-in is like religion or politics, there are people that swear by their particular method. All break-in methods have one goal - get the barrel to shoot well without fouling very much.

I've tried all the above mentioned methods (shoot one, clean etc etc)........ I just clean, put Lock-ease in the bore and shoot 20 shots

I break the 20 shots into two strings, shooting 10 shots slowly, waiting until the barrel cools, then shooting the next 10. After the 20 shots I do a thorough cleaning and that is it." 

(Lock-ease is a thin oil with added graphite).

As a serious benchrest shooter I was always a great advocate of the 'shoot one, clean etc' for breaking in a new barrel but, then I read a very interesting article which changed my mind and I haven't used the 'shoot one, clean' method since.

When you shoot a 6PPC in benchrest competition you soon know if a barrel is a 'shooter' - or not. Personally, I've not noticed any loss of accuracy or reduction of barrel life by not running-in.

When I spin a new barrel on, I'll shoot maybe 20 odd rounds tweaking the load. Yes, it will probably take me a day to get the copper out but then it's ready for competition.

The theory behind the article is - if you continuously  'deep clean' when running-in you never 'burnish' the steel.

Barrel break.docx

On 9/11/2021 at 9:33 PM, garyw said:

Terry best to get in touch with Vince Bottomley hes the man.

Er no - I'm not - as baffled as TerryH!  However, if you want to know about centrefire benchrest and the UKBRA then OK - I can bore you to death!

22 hours ago, Taffbats said:

Lots of food for thought in these replies, thanks everyone for your suggestions, when I've build a couple I might just dip my toes in the market and see how they go, if nothing sells then I've gained some extra rifles!!..👍    

Kevin - you might have a look at the Tier One / EVO Engineering website. They produce superb range of quality accessories rings, mods. brakes, bi-pods etc.

One thing that is in short supply is the SEB NEO rest - they are widely favoured by F Class and benchrest shooters and are in great demand and short supply with a new price tag around £1000. Could be a market if you could knock 'em out for £750.

Kevin - have you missed the boat?  Two top Brit actions have been and gone in the last 10 years - Russel Gall's actions even received praise when he took one (and shot it) to the World Benchrest Championships in the USA. Later, John Carr started manufacturing his actions - I have one and it's an excellent twin-port BR action but lack of a home market caused him to put them on hold. If there was sufficient interest he could easily start up again.

Good actions are now readily available here - the excellent Canadian Deadline not to mention BATs, Barnard, Nesika, Borden etc.

As a hobby yes - but as a business - probably not.

2 hours ago, Taffbats said:

Evening all

I was wondering if there would be much interest in a mid priced, bench rest top quality (I'm taking bat, defiance, bighorn quality) British made action, aimed primarily at the prs/fclass benchrest crowd?

I am a cnc machinist/toolmaker by trade and have access to some Gucci kit and was wondering if this is a journey worth pursuing? 

I realise there have been some great action builders who have come and gone, but can't imagine why if there is still demand for new US made receivers?

Would you buy a British action on a par with Defiance for £750 say?

 

Regards

Kev

Tier One rings are as good as it gets - but, if you need the extra elevation without using a tapered scope-rail, the Burris rings are a good option.

Your 300 PRC barrel life will be limited. You could easily waste 10% barrel-life developing a load - don't develop two loads! And don't waste it plinking!   If you want to 'save your shoulder' get a RAD recoil reducer fitted.

Yeah - I'm there all day.  F Class and McQueen!