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When Laurie Holland did his primer test for Target Shooter the Magtech primers did really well.

http://www.targetshooter.co.uk/?p=2662

Good choice. Gap? You want the bag-rider to ride in the ears - not the stitching. I guess either 17 or 19mm will be OK but personally I'd go for the 17mm. The ears are sand filled so a bit of movement to bed the bag-rider in snuggly.

I see you're in North Yorkshire. I shoot F Class at Diggle once a fortnight and I'd be happy to let you try my bag - and there will be one or two other Lenzis there as well - before committing.

4 hours ago, m1chaelw said:

Bump

Mike - one of our new members is looking for a scope like the one you have for sale. If you can drop it off with me the next time you are at Diggle I think I can move it on for you - Vince

3 hours ago, Jon2712 said:

Thank you both for the advice.

Edgewood wise, which model do you recommend? I’ve read the gator is not suited to F class. I’m guessing the mini gator? Also I’d Brian Fox still the distributor?

The Lenzi do look nice, no issues with yours Vince?

Any thoughts on the Dima bags?

thanks again

Jon

 

Foxy still has a good selection of Edgewood and a few others. Not had any issues with the Lenzi and I shoot with quite a few who use them - I don't think I've heard any complaints. Most bags will need a top up when the stitching and leather has settled but the Lenzis come filled, which is a bonus.

I'd start off by looking at Edgewood offerings. The leather is nice and soft and you can go for Cordura ears or the super-slippery ones. (I'm happy with Cordura). Go for a thick rigid base - maybe incorporating a carry handle if you are going to lug it around the range. I think the Dolphin stock has a round carbon-fibre bag-rider so get one with maybe 10mm between the ears so your bag-rider rides on the ears and not the stitching between the ears. Various heights are available - go for a medium - it will suit most situations with a NEO front rest.

The Edgewood aren't cheap but they are superior to the cheaper SEB ones. If you really want the best have a look at the Lenzi bag from March scopes. I've switched to a Lenzi from an Edgewood. They have super soft leather, rigid base, Cordura ears and they are very heavy when filled with Zircon.  The pic shows my Lenzi on a stainless steel base - really solid.  

It has been done before - Laurie Holland had some striking results with a 223 loaded with 80gn bullets - probably about 10 years ago shooting in the GB F Class League. We all remember the 'head to head' with Russ Simmons in the League Shoot at Blair Atholl at 1000 yds with both shooters punching in 5s and V bulls on the electronic targets. I think Laurie took the win by a single point.

We used a special reamer with a very long throat so that powder capacity was not compromised. Can't remember the powder that Laurie used.

So Nick - if you found a hot load that would guarantee you a win - you wouldn't use it because it knocked 10% off your barrel life?  Get real - the rest of us are using hot loads!

Laurie I remember, we started using them in 6PPC but every time one 'blanked' - pierced - the case was scrap - no way of removing the primer. Annoying with a fire-formed, neck-turned Lapua 220 Russian case.......

The majority of short range benchrest shooters worldwide will use Wilson hand-dies  for neck-sizing and bullet-seating (including me) but will use maybe a Harrel screw-in die for full-length re-sizing.

If that's what you shoot then yes - it's worth the hassle. I still use Wilson bullet seaters for long-range benchrest and F Class but Forster dies and normal press for re-sizing.

Might be worth checking with Foxy.

28 minutes ago, johnt said:

Good luck finding n140😂

Are importer Hannam out of stock?  They had plenty a few weeks ago.

On 10/21/2022 at 6:15 PM, Scotch_egg said:

So the question; 

 

N140 or N150 if starting from scratch. My varget stock is drying up. 

 

N140 is the closest to Varget on the powder burning-rate charts. When my Varget stock dries up that's where I'll be going.

It might be worth noting that the UKBRA 1000 yard record for a five-shot group now measures 2.322 inches and was shot with a 6BR using Vit N140 powder. The group was shot by Mr David Sharp in August.

No I don't think so but it's just another thing to lug around!

Not tempted by the new Seb NEO-X Bruce?

17 hours ago, Nick gilbert said:

Hi foggy123, 

Sorry to hear about your job loss, bit of a long shot but if you would like to split I'd be happy to take the varget, hope your sale goes well. 

Wouldn't we all!

So you got the rifle without proofing?  You must be non-UK?

They usually change hands for about £250

Interesting - I don't think I've ever seen a Leupold fixed power 45x scope with a 1 inch tube. Crosshairs?

Any chance of a pic - may have a buyer.

1 hour ago, phoenix said:

I doesn't work like that

The police do not want the applicants medical records - they want the medical proforma which is  now part of the application formed, completed and signed by a registered GP.

If the applicant's GP will not complete the proforma (for whatever reason) the applicant can contact Medcert/Shootcert etc and they will contact the GP to obtain the applicants medical records so that they (Medcert/shootcert) can complete the medical proforma.

My understanding is the applicants medical records have to go directly from the GP to Medcert/Shootcert and not via the applicant

 

Cheers

 

Bruce

 

 

 

I know the Police don't want NHS records - I sent mine to Medcert. If you get your own records it saves the time and trouble of Medcert applying for them and speeds up the process.

Paul,

I just rang the Surgery and the receptionist was very helpful and asked if I would like to collect or have them posted.  It's only a computer run-off which anyone at the surgery has access to. Not really a GP issue. I'd go along and ask them to print off your NHS records whilst you wait.

Hannam's got their Lapua bullet shipment last week........

10 kilos and no muzzle brakes - if I remember.

2 hours ago, Re-Pete said:

I'd like to know how you'd measure a 2 thou jump...........you're shoving a curved taper into a hole, and with a copper jacketed bullet, you'd need a temperature controlled environment to ensure that all the bullets had precisely the same profile when seating them. That's assuming that the bullet manufacturing process itself has zero tolerance, and that there's not an atom of carbon or copper or airborne dust in the throat...

And then there's the brass..........

But I could be wrong

Pete

You're correct - you'll struggle to get mass produced bullets so consistent but of course all short-range benchrest shooters are using custom hand-made bullets which are pretty good.

5 hours ago, VarmLR said:

...on Youtube:  

 

 

I wonder what the UKV views are on "2 thou' seating difference" becoming significant to harmonic nodes?

Is this just naval gazing or is 2 thou really that sensitive in relation to barrel time?

I agree in principle with not chasing lands, which I've found even  for shooting VLD type bullets is meaningless given that the throat and jump to lands is a changing feast.  I've always started by noting the bullet jam seating for the bullets I intend on using, in a new barrel, then starting 10 thou off and working backwards during load development until I found a node, then tweaking powder charge for lowest MV SD.  I've found that iterative because powder charge then can alter barrel time hence optimum seating depth again but usually I find a couple of nodes for optimum group size and SD at perhaps 2 seating depths back from my start position and these become my seating depths which then I don't alter.  If temperatures change enough to affect load, I tweak the load and note the data for temperature and revised load as I update Strelok for powder sensitivity using this data but the seating depth I keep the same.

From the interview, I was surprised to note Jack's method of "two shot" groups to get one hole, and developing loads on that basis.

 

Jack is one of the World's top benchrest shooters and a really nice guy (shot with him at the Benchrest Worlds in Sweden some years ago) who goes out of his way to share information with his fellow shooters. If you don't shoot competitive short range benchrest then yes - maybe Jack is a little too anal but if you do wish to shoot at the highest level then you'll hang on to his every word.