Catch-22

^^ I was just thinking the same before I read Pop’s post. I’ve used Google Calendar (and the full suite of GDoc products) in my business for years - so, so helpful.

20 hours ago, DM308 said:

catch 22 that is a sweet looking unit !!

I'm mainly looking to use it at eskdalemuir / roundhouse / valhalla for the prl (long range ) stuff - i have an AI in 308 / 6.5x47 which works well but i'm itching to get that 1 mile stuff - plus - who doesn't love a new gun!!

My RPA will outshoot my longer barrelled AI all day in 308 form - hence why i was looking at  the 338 version - plus compared to the AI you can pick a rangemaster fairly cheap (ish)

I may wait until the AI AXMC is within my budget - but youre talking 10 grand for the full set up including scope / mounts etc etc

still . . . . it's only money

Thanks bud.

The rifle was designed and built from the ground up as a switch barrel/calibre gun.

The chassis has an ‘upper’ and ‘lower’, meaning I can switch from long action lower to a short action lower. The lowers use AICS mags and work perfectly.

The action is a custom Defiance, designed specifically to work in the Eliseo chassis. I ordered multiple bolts, so I can shoot just about anything with a .308w case head all the way up to .338NM/LM.

The barrels I have spun up include 6.5x47, .30-06 (custom throat and lead) and .338NM. By simply changing the bolt, lower unit and unscrewing the barrel I can go from basically any calibre, long or short, in a few minutes using a barrel vice, torque wrench and action wrench. If I want another calibre, I just have a new barrel made - no need to lay down extra cash for more rifles, scopes, mounts etc. Simples! 

My custom Defiance Mutant in Eliseo chassis has been flawless - no issues what so ever.

With a heavy barrel (mine is 27” inch, 1.30” at the shank, straight for 5” then gentle taper to 1.2” at muzzle), a decent muzzle brake (I’ve a 419 Sidewinder...don’t use the moddy much) and a straight recoiling stock, recoil is minimal. I liken mine to a .308 with heavy load...though the concussion/blast from the brake is significant.

I concur with Pops, get a good twist. I went with a 1.9-3” Bartlein and shoot 300gn Lapua Scenars into tiny holes.

5 shot groups during 100m load development below...new brass, hadn’t even adjusted seating depth or neck tension yet!!

12 hours ago, markymark said:

Hi guys. Hope I don’t mean to hijack the post. I’ll soon be working up a load for my Creedmoor’s in both 130 & 140gr. 
 

I’ve previously worked up RS62 42.5gr with 139gr to good effect. 
 

I was going to use RS62 because I have it in stock. However I have one barrel at 26” and one barrel at 18”. I assumed I would hopefully work up a load that would work on both. Accepting a lower velocity on the 18”. Not being a huge reloader I’m never sure which powders compliment what application. Fast vs slow burn rates. 
 

I’m toying with the idea / hoping it might work having one bullet / one load for all applications (across two rifles). Bullet being Sierra 130 GMK not being the best BC but good enough and can use for range and hunting. (Potentially also Sierra 140 SP)
 

Baldie mentioned N150 is better for shorter barrels. 

Do you think RS62 is realistic for my application or should I use two powders and two loads to get the best out of each rifle / application. Such as N150 / N160 or anything else for that matter. 

Slow burning powders work best with heavier bullets in longer barrels as the powder is given time to generate sufficient pressure. If the barrel is too short, or the bullet too light, the slow burning powder usually isn’t able to reach its full pressure potential before the bullet leaves the barrel.
 

You could give RS62 a go in your stubby barrel, but I suspect your velocity will be way down and you won’t get a full burn (sooty barrel).
 

Personally, I’d try N150 for the shorter barrel with heavier bullets. If you’re gonna try lighter bullets (eg 123gn) in the shorter barrel, then an even faster burning powder (like N140) is even better. 

Anything that has bottom metal which accepts AICS pattern mags. They are probably the most common type of detachable mag system out there, so a lot of people will be interested in any spare mags you have.

3 hours ago, DaveT said:

Chris Stevenson of FCSA has told me that he will issue login IDs for ODRC members wishing to attend FCSA shoots.

So far I am getting nothing in response to emails sent to ODRC / Simon Wheeler re a reciprocal arrangement.

We are supposed to be sharing shoots!

Anyone closer to ODRC / Simon able to give this a 'nudge'.

Shooting is getting scarcer what with the MOD buggering about!

Tried sending you a PM but you can’t receive emails. 

Dave, are the cases sooty at all? If so it is usually a symptom that shows with lower velocity charges where the case hasn’t fully expanded to seal the chamber, which allows soot to cover the case.

Some very good reads on the process of correctly bedding a rifle.

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/What+is+rifle+bedding.html

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/MatchGrade+Bedding+Compound+Instructions.html

And actually, I’m in the same boat but in reverse. I need to get in touch with FCSA about Salisbury dates.  

I think you’ll need to register with the ODRC website to gain access to the calendar. Emailing the club secretary should ensure you’re given access.

6 hours ago, Kipper said:

Yeah too clear up I mean Gardner Guns , I haven't approached ODRC yet.

Apologies - I read this incorrectly - I thought you were talking about ODRC. 

14 hours ago, Kipper said:

I looked into it before for 10 shooters.... worked out a very very expensive day out so was a non starter.

A probation period is normally and totally acceptable,  travelling 3hrs for a safety day however . If also just noticed on the application the probationary member must attend 6 times in the first 6 months ( no chance for me with work and other shoot commitments) and must attend 4 shoots a year thus after to keep membership or it will be cancelled and local authority notified. I might make 1 or 15, without a calendar I cant be sure. It's just not the club for me, 

^^ This is a shame! As a member of ODRC, it makes me sad to hear this 😔 

Personally I think it’s ridiculous to expect probationary shooters to attend 6 shoots in 6 months...especially considering that many shoots have been cancelled recently.

I can completely understand if you’re put off joining...I would too if I were in your position. This is not the attitude the club should exhibit if it is to both retain members and accept new ones.
 

As a member, I apologise that you’ve been treated this way.

FCSA, and by association ODRC, shoot at Warcop. Max distance is 3000m.

4 hours ago, Brummy Mark said:

So this can be with short .308 barrel and also switchable to a 6.5 calibre barrel? Could be just what Im after, as currently looking at Blaser...

Basically any rifle can be a switch barrel - you don’t need an action with some special chamber extension or unique quick change feature. Just have yourself a couple of barrels spun up and get a barrel vice & action wrench and have at it.

I do just this with my Defiance and plan to do so with my soon to arrive Impact Precision 737R. Takes minutes to do and repeatable when using a torque wrench, per Ronin’s earlier comment.

Simples.

@Ronin weren’t you looking for one of these??

Apologies if not.

Nice - if you get a chance to post your results, I’d be keen to hear them. Never tried SO65 but always wished I had.

I think you might be referring to their PDF version - it’s way more comprehensive.

https://shootersworldpowder.com/wp-content/uploads/shooters-world-manual.pdf

If I’m honest, I’d have a preference for SO65 over SO70 if you’re intending to use the lighter 120-123gn class of bullet. Again, SO70 is a good powder and it gives good accuracy as long as you’re ok with super low velocities. 

SO65 will give you better velocity and case fill with the lighter bullets. Whether it duplicates or meets Varget’s reputation and performance, it probably won’t. Varget has an unusually high energy rating for a single based powder (circa 4000 joules). 
 

good luck!!

11 minutes ago, Ronin said:

I don’t know John

 

It was a comment made in a previous thread by one of last years competitors that inferred that the better shots would be using 6mm based cartridges this year (if I recall correctly it was a discussion involving a chap called Satterlee)  

You might be referring to the American PRS shooter Scott Scatterlee 

https://www.precisionrifleseries.com/profiles/shooter/312/

I believe some interviews with him, and others, and the data presented by the Precision Rifle Blog suggest a trend amongst quite a few PRA shooters to move towards the 6mm cartridges (6dasher, 6BRA, 6BRDX, 6BR) for a number of reasons.

However their shooting conditions tend to be slightly different to ours with a lot of locations being more arid, and open plains, which perhaps makes it easier to see bullet splash when compared to our grassland and heather/brush.

50 minutes ago, treetop said:

Hi, 

lim interested in finding some morin for on Lovex S065 

namely for the 6.5 creedmoor, but any information would be good .

 

before I get a barrage of info on other powders, let me first say that this & S070 ( old AA 4350 )  appeal to me as they are single base powders, apparently good with temperatures & are reasonable in price. 

i have Information for on the S070 but there doesn't seem to be much on the S065 

i should also add that I mainly shoot 100gr & 120gr Bullets 

cheers 

Two or three years ago I tried SO70 in my 6.5x47 with 123g Scenars.

It’s an accurate powder, producing nice groups, but a complete case full (compressed charge of around 41.5gn if memory serves) gave very disappointing velocities, around 2740fps from a 24” barrel.

With N140 and Varget I was easily up around 2900fps, so I ditched SO70. 

I do however think it might suit the heavier bullets, like the 140gn. I think because it’s so slow burning, it needs a heavy bullet to help it generate enough pressure, thus velocity. A light bullet exits the tube too quickly before the powder is able to reach its full pressure/velocity potential.

Though I’m now picking SO70 up again for use in a custom throated .30-06 with 185gn and 190gn bullets.

36 minutes ago, ds1 said:

The thing which surprised me most was the price. The prices seemed very much in line with US prices. This was very refreshing.

By comparison I was in the market for a gucci 2011 STI pistol for myself ( from a different company) in the US they set you back about $3k or so but by the time they get to Europe $5k or there about. Seemed like a lot of gouging going on somewhere so I decided to stick with European made products.

Anyway it was nice way to end the year with a bit of range fun. Hope the New Year starts off the same way.

Forget the STI, see if you can pickup an Alien by Laugo. I’d have one in a flash if we Brits could 😭

http://www.laugoarms.com/alien.html

16 hours ago, sandtrap said:

Do you get AICS or MDT  steel mags in .223  ?  10 rounds 

Iv seen a 5 round but can’t find a 10 

Accurate Mag .223 are steel but have an internal plastic ‘filler/insert’ towards the front portion. This bit can be milled out with a dremmel for better feeding if using long bullets (eg 77gn+) or shoot the .223ai with its sharper shoulder.

4 hours ago, JamesR said:

Hi everyone I’m looking for some advice on joining the ODRC.

I’ve emailed about joining and had a response but need a signature from a full member. Being new to long range shooting I don’t know anyone that does it and therefore don’t know any members. 
 

any advice on how I can meet any current members and get the signature I need? 
 

thanks in advance

James

Err...a signature? Really? Bit weird, when I joined I didn’t know anyone and just turned up and got to know people. Personally I can see how if you don’t know anyone, how can you then join. Sounds unfair tbh.

Personally I would just reply back to the secretary and explain you don’t know anyone at the club. See if you can just attend one of the shoots as a visitor (not shooting, just taking a look) and meet some of the members. I’m sure that if you like what you see, the secretary or someone else will happily provide the signature should you wish to apply for probationary membership after an initial visit.

Do you already hold an FAC? If not, the club has rifles for probationary members. I’ll also happily let you shoot my rifle during your probation.

Where are you based? And which ODRC ranges do you expect to visit (they’re spread all over the place).

I found RS80 was so good in the parent case (.338 Norma Magnum), with very low ES & SD and great groups, that I bought 12kg of it and haven’t looked back.

A great powder.

1 hour ago, baldie said:

Wrong way round.

Sassen do all their own work.

GB have no input into Sassen at all.

Sassen deep gun drill for GB, that's all.

I also believe that GB have supplied their own steel for drilling in the past .

GB's rifling machine was one of the old border machines that wasn't in use, and the lads at GB meticulously restored it.

There is no " Deal" or association between the two entirely separate companies. Sassen is part of a much bigger CNC/Engineering company .

Interesting - thanks for the clarification and correction.

Cheers