Charlts

What action are you thinking of using? 

My lightweight rifle has a carbon barrel, I don't tend to shoot more than 3 shots in quick succession as it's a deer rifle so it's never seeing long strings, no deviation in POI or group size. The good thing about carbon barrels is that as fast as they heat up they cool down. I've plenty of friends across the pond using them in the NRL Hunter series with zero concerns, but even then it's only an 8 shot stage if things go wrong.

Figured I’d share these 50m groups from a zero check last week before travelling to a match. Slight left to right wind but the elevation was good and that was my main concern.

At some point before my Deuce arrives, I need to do a 5x5 with this rifle.

1 hour ago, Adamdavi3s said:

Yeah they’re designed to run centre x and Midas which is why the SK also runs well in them, sticking with it for now while it’s hot at least and will do the what ammo dance again in the autumn 🤣

 

@Charlts that’s the end game, however when previously enquiring about SK lots “no chance” due to the lack of availability at the moment 

Until you're  in the queue and on the list it won't happen. Your RFD putting the order in is the first step. I'm on my 4th time doing it over the past few years and it's been a godsend not worrying about lot to lot variations.

2 hours ago, Adamdavi3s said:

Well that’s a given but we don’t really have the luxury of choice thanks to the lack of availability at the moment especially when I’m shooting 500-1000 a month with a 1200 holding 🙄

I was shooting rifle match which was great but the RFD hasn’t been able to get any for 8 months. 
 

I’d love to take the Vudoo to Germany and come back with 10,000 lot tested centreX 🤣 (Eley might be a possibility but they’re shorter than SK / Lapua and it doesn’t like em) 

I’d love to be able to shoot R50 which it loves but it’s supersonic and all my local ranges only allow for moderated subs 

So I’m stuck with tinkering with the tuner to see what I can do with SK LRM. Hopefully when I get chance to do it properly I’ll get a tune and then simply be able to fine tune it between lots 

Can you get your RFD to purchase 20,000 for you at a time? I do this, pay in advance and it ensures continuity of supply of consistent ammo, whilst minimising mess about time. Usually a little turn on the tuner and away you go.

On centrefires I wouldn't be too worried about it, I dry fire my match rifle hundreds of times most weeks and have done for years. 

If you like the GRS stocks the Warg offers the most flexibility for bipods and forward mounting NV/TI. I’ve been using a front mounted thermal over the weekend and it’s been good enough for me to want to thin out some of my dedicated night rifles.

Regarding distance, I’ve a couple of 223’s that are more than happy at 800y, though you have to be on the ball with wind. However I’ve no experience with a short 223.

I’ve had an 18” 308 for the past 6-7 years, it works really well. I also have a 20” 6.5 Creedmoor that is an exceptional performer. Both are hunting guns and easy handling, I did put an MDT HNT26 chassis on which was a massive improvement in handling, weight and recoil.

31 minutes ago, terryh said:

Have a few of these primers spare, beyond my realistic needs.

Anyone in the Warminster area in need of some please pm as would need to be face to face.

I have probably have 2000 available, £80/1000

T

Terry are you likely to make any of the upcoming Precision Rifle events for a meet up? 

Precision Rifle Series U.K. 2023 calendar is here;

https://www.precisionrifleseries-uk.com/matches/

4 minutes ago, Ronin said:

I wasn’t necessarily looking at the NRL hunter class rules 

 

My thoughts would be carry what you’ve brought between stages and each stage is blind with a reasonable time constraint - with natural obstacle to test problem solving to get the shots off 

 

Targets in a set area to locate, range and shoot in that time 

 

makes for more interesting c o f 

 

It doesn’t have to be weight restricted for class 

You Coukd impose mandatory mag changes at three rounds to avoid those with large capacity an advantage - there could also be mandatory position change after x y Z rounds on target too 

 

Im trying to make it appealing to more shooters and grow the entire sport - not one particular facet or group 

The content of my posts are not criticising any group either, it’s trying to develop and grow from what we have now 

 

Build it and they’ll come.

24 minutes ago, brave Echo niner said:

My concern having looked at the NRL hunter rules and regulations would be the definition of what is a "hunting rifle".

I can speak for myself and a few others I stalk with in saying most of our "lightweight" rifles for woodland work are coming in at 13-15lb all in, with hill rifles ranging from 15-22lbs, this would mean by their definition most of us couldn't use our true stalking rifles due to being overweight with them?

 

To me the SIS Dynamic was a perfect mix where people can use anything they deem fit but were limited by practicality of carrying and overall fitness, it certainly made you consider what kit you actually need rather than just want?

I thoroughly enjoyed the dynamic and know from speaking to Helen and Marc they have big plans for it going forwards, pushing that alternative style of practical match. I will certainly be clearing my diary to shoot it! 

 

Ben

It was created to counter the “heavy, barricade bench rest, race gun” point that’s been brought up repeatedly on this thread. Let’s not kid ourselves that NRL Hunter isn’t as much of a gear race as every other competitive shooting discipline. The best shooters will always be the best shooters because they work at it. 

What makes a 15-22lb hill rifle different to a 15-22lb barricade bench gun? I know I’m not alone in shooting deer or other critters with a race rifle. Of the top 5 in the PRS U.K. last year all of our rifles fit that weight bracket. 

I hope there’s more dynamics, I’d like a go if my knee will hold up after the surgery, if not I’ll gladly RO again. Then the people giving up time so that I can shoot matches, are able to take part in matches they enjoy. 
 

I saw lots of gear taken for a walk at the dynamic. Having watched it and understanding how to efficiently shoot things. I’d pack lightweight rifle, triple pull, game changer, tripod, binos, kestrel, water and snacks. Which would only mean dropping the spotting scope from my regular kit list. Locate and range targets from the game changer on top of the tripod - Build a range card with binos and kestrel linked. Deploy triple pull, use tripod or pack for rear support and engage. The best game plan is always to keep things simple.

3 minutes ago, Ronin said:

That’s good to hear Ryan

 

Barricade Benchrest isn’t for everyone - and the trend (need) for heavy recoiless rifles and bag to do well does put many off from entering 

I too speak to quite a few people and this is the common theme in preventing them starting 

natural features used as barricades instead of the usual and dull props making people think about position, acquisition of target (having to find it in an area) range it or mil it and then engage it makes a fun and more realistic approach to a comp that would broaden the appeal 

This format would appeal wider spectrum of shooter (stalkers and foxibg lads for instance ) using what they have instead of the necessity for “race guns” 

I do take your point about the young lad who did well at Sis but there’s no denying that there was quite intense coaching going on - to assist that achievement 

I’m not complaining about that 

 

it was good to see and hear someone with so much talent - (that’s you by the way) giving something back to the sport 

The match providers could widen the appeal easily by adopting something similar to what I’m proposing 

 

 

Sign me up, it sounds like fun! The biggest thing that appeals to me with the NRL Hunter series is the opportunity to master a lightweight rifle with a high power factor. That would be something to consider.

1 minute ago, jcampbellsmith said:

Two things jump out - 

Introduction of a class for stalking rifles. 

Publishing the calendar of events - I've already got events in my calendar through to October this year. I've no idea when PRS is happening. 

Regards 

JCS 

Like an NRL Hunter class with weight limits and a power factor? I’d like that, would it be possible to shoot race gun and stalking rifle at the same time?

The PRS U.K. match calendar is on the PRS U.K. website.  

https://www.precisionrifleseries-uk.com/matches/

1 hour ago, Ronin said:

The extreme version of SIS held last year was probably the most fun competition I’ve attended outside the Czech and Slovakian military comps 

That could be used as a bench mark to create something in the UK that would appeal to all

 

im not sure there are any professional competition shooters over here - solely employed to shoot - the pond here is tiny compared to the USA where there are - the recent comps attended by the “top” Uk shooters in the states has I think put things into perspective bringing a few “back to earth”

The UK has only 150 thousand firearm certificate holders - of those maybe one percent or less attend steep plate matches 

From my own perspective there has been a reduction in attendance to matches in the last two years for a variety of reasons (cost, in fighting, loss of interest, etc ) 

There is reduced chat on forums about match attendance - another indicator of waining interest 

 

Time for things to be shaken up and changed to something that appeals to more people rather than the few 

create something that can grow and involve more people 

 

I’ve seen quite the opposite on numbers Andy, every match this year I’ve squadded with a first time shooter who’s come back and shot other events afterwards. I’ve had more conversations about starting shooting Precision Rifle last year than the year before and have seen the formation of ladies PRS group prepping for next year as well.

What would you start that’s different to shake things up? 

The dynamic SIS wasn’t for me, for various reasons. It looked like everyone had fun whilst I was RO’ing and I recall you increased the numbers of your teddy collection. 
 

I predict 2023 will be busier again as there’s already 8 centrefire matches in the calendar and all being well at least one rimfire match per month! Personally I plan to get to as many different places as possible and shoot even more than before.

6 hours ago, Scotch_egg said:

To be honest that’s a very fair comment. 
 

who cares what you bring. Just shoot and enjoy it. 
 

although some of the comps have become a little too obscure with their obstacles and time limits. 
 

keep it simple. Encourage easier targets for greater rounds on target for the less practiced.  Hits on target create bigger smiles. Not everyone has the time to practice and these comps are often the only opportunity to shoot off their bellies. 
 

The pro’s course of fire needs to be different from the “also rans” just MHO. 

100%, on targets and props. My personal opinion is the top score wants to be 90-95%, courses should be set for the mid pack guys to be able to enjoy themselves and for new shooters be able to hit around 50%. This presents different challenges to everyone, the top guys have to make each shot count and it provides enough of a challenge to keep things interesting for the bulk of shooters. Let’s face it there’s a lot more people in it for the craic than are in it to win it.
 

The lazy way to set a PRS course is to have wobbley props and small targets. The C2 Bisley match got that mix right, props were solid and target size appropriate. The PRS U.K. team got that mix right all through 2022. I look forward to seeing more of the same this year.

4 hours ago, Scotch_egg said:

Hunter class in the states deals with this. 

NRL Hunter is great, I'd love to have a run out with my 10lb stalking rifle. 

There's nothing stopping anyone shooting against open class shooters with anything, look how well young Lucas did with my 223 at the summer SIS when he was totally out gunned and at his first match. Who really cares what or where people shoot, as long as they're shooting. 

Merry New Year UKV, I definitely plan to shoot even more in 2023! 

Happy to add that Dave is a gent to deal with and I’m jolly happy with the big blue press I purchased from him recently.

Very interested, pm inbound

Life's too short, just buy 223 specific mags they work great.

An Oryx chassis would take some beating and suits pretty much all types of shooting.

It all depends on what the intended purpose is for the new rifle?

One of my US colleagues swears by it and has been using it since late 2019. I’ve had some on back order for a while as it not a popular mainstream cartridge it’ll be a while longer I expect.

Having Lapua brass as a plan B isn’t a bad situation to be in.

ACC is awesome. I put wifeys 457 into an XRS with an enclosed fore end and she couldn't be happier, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to anyone.

3 hours ago, triggersqueezer said:

charlts one extreme to the other .i could hardly pick up the last rifle of yours i held. if it is truly sub .50 you have my attention . would like a light sub .5 rifle 

You'll just have to pop over and have a play Mike.

It's about half the weight of my race guns!