i chose a 17 hornet over the rem because it moderates better than a hmr imo no where near the noise of the rem.10.2 grn of powder gets me 3580 fps with good accuracy. withoubt a doubt the 17 rem out guns it on every level but where do you stop ? so many things out gun the rem .2" drop out to 200 with my hornet and its for sub 300 yard rabbits . it will push way past 300 but wind reading gets interesting. barrel life will be much less on the rem i assume and is the one your looking at new ?