furrybean Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 When is a cartridge actually required to be locked away? Is a primed case? obviously a full loaded round is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Section 57 of the firearms act defines cartridges as ‘ammunition for any firearm’, so primed cases are not required to be locked away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popsbengo Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 18 hours ago, furrybean said: When is a cartridge actually required to be locked away? Is a primed case? obviously a full loaded round is. We've had this debate before and it would seem that the law is as above post however our local FEO (Staffs & W.Midlands) says that primed cases are to be considered as ammo. As I don't think it's worth falling out with our FEOs I abide by their "rule". Maybe someone else wants to test the law in court - good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattnall Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 Primed cases in a public place without a lawful excuse I believe are considered ammunition as far as the courts are concerned, although I cannot find the case reference just now. I can't remember the circumstances that lead to the case but I'm now interested so I will keep looking. As far as holding limits go then it is only complete rounds of ammunition that count and require to be held securely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW7088 Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 I think the case being referred to is R v Stubbings (1990). IIRC the defendant was found by police in a public place with a pistol (then on certificate) and a number of primed cartridge cases that could be chambered and fired in it. It was alleged that the defendant, who was not on way to or from target shooting, or apparently any other purpose authorised by his certificate, had committed an offence contrary to s19(c) Firearms Act 1968. This offence requires that he be in a public place, in possession of a firearm and ammunition for it, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse. The prosecution argued that the primed cases were ammunition for the purposes of s19. The court agreed, but this did not mean that the primed cases were ammunition for the purposes of being recorded on a firearm certificate etc. Essentially the precedent set is that blank ammunition, whilst not subject to certain controls, is still ammunition for the purposes of s19 and for the purposes of possession by a prohibited person for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattnall Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 Thank you @AJW7088, R v Stubbings [1990] Crim LR 811. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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