Dac9976 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Hi all. Does anyone load for the above cal? I've got a trip on Boar at the end of the year,was thinking this would be a nice pig stopper. Any thoughts or experiences of this cal would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Danny . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 The 8x57js mauser cartridge is,ayt it's best,in the 30-06 class-about minimum sensible for big boar. It is typically underloaded by US maufacturers-eg Sierra has 220g @ 2200fps and only 2365 ft lb,Barnes has 250g at 2250 fps and 2811 ft lb. Contrast to Euro factory loads: Norma 165 at 2854 for 2985 ft lb,and RWS 180 at 2732 for 3282 ft lb. The Euros seem more like boar stoppers,the US loads more boar slowers. But do check just what you intend to use-the US may load down in deference to WW11 conversions,and Euro loadings vary too-the 30-06 is probably starting point only for adequate boar rifles. gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dac9976 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Thanks mate. Out of intrest what calibre would you have for Boar ,at home and abroad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finman Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 A lot of chaps in a recent boar trip had 9.3s (either x62 or x74). Their pigs were not any deader than the ones I killed with the 7x57 and a 173gn factory load. It is a combination of were you hit them as well as what you hit them with... If you have a rifle in any calibre of 7mm and over that you KNOW how to shoot, that's the one to take, unless you are looking for an excuse for a new rifle... Good luck, Finman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Danny, you have probably read the following,but the consensus on cartridges is pretty good,and the important point about size-and range-it will be short,but large driven boar will be pretty tanked up on adrenalin,and take a bit of stopping. Of course,as Finnman says,given a decent cartridge,where they are hit matters-but they will be running,and a fst back up shot is no bad thing-hence the use of Euro double rifles,and ,where legal,self loaders. Wild.boar.org.uk a 'best practice'guide,with 'vital' zone pics Which cartridges is best for shooting wild boar? Shooting UK Feral hog and wild boar cartridges Chuck Hawks Hawks is excellent,though US oriented. I suspect some of the cartridges make a nod towards what shooters may have...( cf 243 for big stags-best left to experts)....but it's clear that something with close to,better above,3000 ft lbs at muzzle (well,50 yards from it!) gives a little more wiggle (piggle?) room- boar will be running....precision isn't easy... LIkewise,the 7 Rem Mag is fine,but more energy transfer is no bad thing-so 30 cal and above,given the ft lbs- I'd rather have a 30-06 necked up to 35 Whelen,than necked down to 270w-but many guest/first time/UK shooters will have 270 s.....adequate,not ideal....given good shot placement....on a running boar.... Interesting to see practice running boar targets.....and 'vital zone' imposed on strikes...... Europeans have been at this for a long time,and know what works....hence the 9.3s which can go way over 3000 ft lb,and are often in double rifles.....there are plenty -well,some available -other choices of course....308 with heavy bullets is probably the most available, already possessed. At the other end,the 376 Steyr Scout rifle-short,fast,mucho pop might appeal..... But a specialist rifle might as well be the classic Euro double.....good handling,power,and maybe a fast second shot.... I agree too with Finman-though the 7x57 is good enough with heavy bullets (it can be 308 class),with a competent user.... it might not be ideal for the biggest 200 kilo boar,but there are not too many of them left! gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I have five 8x57's and load for them. Excellent cartridge but as was previously mentioned, seriously underloaded by US ammo makers in deference to the millions of .318" grooved 1888 Commission Mauser rifle imported in the late 50's and 1960's. In addition, many otherwise stock 1898 Mausers were rechambered to the 8mm-06 wildcat to utilize plentiful 30-06 brass for loading. One of these low pressure factory rounds fired by the unaware in a rechambered 8-06 produces an ugly casing but will leave the shooter unharmed. My favorite 8x57 is the Husqvarna M648. I have three built in 1944. The sights are regulated for the 196 grain RN. Handling and accuracy are superb.~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dac9976 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Thanks fellas for taking the time to reply. I have a 7x57r (Blaser K95) was going to use this but I fear a second shot will be slow. Was thinking of getting another Barrel for my Blaser R8 (good excuse for another barrel) Will also have to consider availability of ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finman Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Get a 9.3x62 barrel then, ammo is available and it is signicantly different to your other chamberings. In an R8 it makes a quick handling rifle and, indeed, a follow up shot is a sensible thing to have at your disposal, them pigs may come in sounders, you don't want to miss the opportunity to have a second go at them, it may be your only chance for the entire trip... Good luck, Finman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dac9976 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Thanks Finman. Just been looking at the 9.3x62....seems to be the one to go for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Dac,the 9.3x62Mauser has the power delivery....and proven track record..... ....3500+ ft lb in Euro factory loads (Norma and RWS)-well proven in Europe on boar for way over a hundred years....though modern loadings are up a bit on the 1905 ish ones,used on big game too-a good general purpose African medium bore. The recent 2002 Sako 75 chambering 9.3x66 gets over 4000,and into 375 Mag territory..... Whether you could get off a second second aimed shot shot with a bolt action with those kinds of recoil,at full tilt boar crossing only 50 yards in front.........hmmmm....I expect you've seen video of the standard driven scenario...there isn't a lot of time.... gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dac9976 Posted February 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I hear what your saying gbal The trip is not until November so I've got plenty of time to consider my options. Glad I've got some different opinions to ponder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I shot some PPU 196 grain RN 8x57 through one of my Huskys and it shot well. Can't imagine a pig walking away from a hit with one of those.~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meles meles Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 If we can throw a spanner in the works... It might also be worth considering a combination gun. Ours has a 9.3x74R barrel over a 12 bore barrel. In the unlikely event that the the big 350 grain 9.3 round doesn't drop piggy dead, a follow up shot from the lower barrel with either buckshot or a slug will discourage it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Meles-Meles: the classic case for the double rifle-an equipotential second shot is available,whatever the outcome of the first shot... g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumbag Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 9.3 in x62 or x72 Got a 9.3x62. LOves it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dac9976 Posted February 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Yes I'm tilting towards a 9.3x62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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