coolforgot Posted July 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 I rest my case! I rest my rant ! Regards, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967spud Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Did you actually try it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Well if Chinese optics are as good as you say, why dont Bushnell proudly tell their customers about it on their advertising ? and why dont they put their name or logo on the Made in China scopes ? Probably because most sensible people don't give a stuff as to where the scopes are produced, as long as they are good scopes. I've had Jap scopes that aren't great. I've got Chinese ones that are excellent. I don't remember seeing Bushnell ever saying that they only sell scopes made in Japan. I do know that Gary and Sammie Cooper built a great business on well designed, Chinese manufactured scopes. I really don't know why you've got your knickers knotted over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolforgot Posted August 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Probably because most sensible people don't give a stuff as to where the scopes are produced, as long as they are good scopes. I've had Jap scopes that aren't great. I've got Chinese ones that are excellent. I don't remember seeing Bushnell ever saying that they only sell scopes made in Japan. I do know that Gary and Sammie Cooper built a great business on well designed, Chinese manufactured scopes. I really don't know why you've got your knickers knotted over this. "I do know that Gary and Sammie Cooper built a great business on well designed, Chinese manufactured scopes" WHY ,becase they TELL you first, just my point. If you dont "really know why I've got my knickers knotted over this" and you really dont care where things come from as long as they're good ? your logic means that if you had a "sweet & sour" chicken & rice from your local chinese take away, you would'nt care if it was actually CAT as long as it tasted good ? Bon appetit !! lol " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 Cool-if only!- I thought the case rested,but a couple of points: Mark's question is a good one: did you actually give the scope a fair trial. Secondly,your attempted analogy with the menu is false- not because the food would not be made in China-despite being labelled(?) chinese,but because if it said 'chicken' and was 'cat' it's a trade description offence.If it says chicken,you have to get chicken (taste etc are actually irrelevant to legality.)If it had just said 'meat' then it could be some/any animal -even made in China! If a product makes no claim about origin,it's not an offence per se (caveat emptor-buyer beware-is a phrase used-but unbranded does not equal poor value etc (price is some guide too)-the real question is; was the scope of acceptable quality for the price? Well,considered coolly,was it? Then,by all means ,let this RIP,rather than rant-most would see your point,but the onus is really on you to know what you are buying-it might beOK-'Bushnell' is just an increased probability that the product is not substandard at the price level.Helpful to make others aware,though.As would be an assessment of it's realistic price/quality. Hope it isn't a big disappointment. gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finman Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Bottom line: in the scope/optics business there no such thing as a free meal or a great bargain...you get what you pay for. The scope was a Bushnell, but was cheap, hence, there must have been a catch somewhere (and there was...). Marketing at its best But, then again as gbal points out, we still don't know how the scope performs. It may yet prove all this conversation redundant and make all of us eat our words... Best of luck Finman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolforgot Posted August 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Cool-if only!- I thought the case rested,but a couple of points: Mark's question is a good one: did you actually give the scope a fair trial. Secondly,your attempted analogy with the menu is false- not because the food would not be made in China-despite being labelled(?) chinese,but because if it said 'chicken' and was 'cat' it's a trade description offence.If it says chicken,you have to get chicken (taste etc are actually irrelevant to legality.)If it had just said 'meat' then it could be some/any animal -even made in China! If a product makes no claim about origin,it's not an offence per se (caveat emptor-buyer beware-is a phrase used-but unbranded does not equal poor value etc (price is some guide too)-the real question is; was the scope of acceptable quality for the price? Well,considered coolly,was it? Then,by all means ,let this RIP,rather than rant-most would see your point,but the onus is really on you to know what you are buying-it might beOK-'Bushnell' is just an increased probability that the product is not substandard at the price level.Helpful to make others aware,though.As would be an assessment of it's realistic price/quality. Hope it isn't a big disappointment. gbal It is just a matter of transparency here, we go to the Big names,because we trust their reputation, and I dont want to have to be a detective to find the important facts of a product, it should be clear, made in China made in Japan (important) I can choose to buy or not. I do care where scopes are made,whether they (initially) work well or not, I would not expect a Chinese lens to out perform a Japanese lens over time. I have a Rolex watch (not chinese made) and I would certainly rather have it,than a Chinese 'Rolex' which may look the same and keep good time ! All I've learnt from this purchase is Trust NO ONE big name or not, they may ALL be out to dupe you ,reputation means nothing and search between the lines/small print,to find the facts you need before deciding to buy. it is too 'early' to tell you if the scope works well,does it's Chinese job etc, only time will tell, but instead of feeling confident, I now can only hope to be 'lucky' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 OK,I think you have made your point (again!).I imagine the Rolex cost a bit more than an explicit copy,but I can see you would have no yen to own such. Let's hope the scope gives decent value for money-that is a key point too-and if you are tempted by a Ming Dynasty vase,under £3 million,beware-it's probably a copy,probably not chinese,even if it says it is. :-) gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 It is just a matter of transparency here, we go to the Big names,because we trust their reputation, and I dont want to have to be a detective to find the important facts of a product, it should be clear, made in China made in Japan (important) I can choose to buy or not. I do care where scopes are made,whether they (initially) work well or not, I would not expect a Chinese lens to out perform a Japanese lens over time. I have a Rolex watch (not chinese made) and I would certainly rather have it,than a Chinese 'Rolex' which may look the same and keep good time ! All I've learnt from this purchase is Trust NO ONE big name or not, they may ALL be out to dupe you ,reputation means nothing and search between the lines/small print,to find the facts you need before deciding to buy. it is too 'early' to tell you if the scope works well,does it's Chinese job etc, only time will tell, but instead of feeling confident, I now can only hope to be 'lucky' Blimey.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsm Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Think we've got to this stage in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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