Offroad Gary Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Gents, need a new moderator for my new project (6.5x47l, 26"). Question.. Is hardy gen 4 up to 10 shot strings? Quite like the look, weight and amount of overhang but never seen one used in anger. Think rrc, quarry shoot and general plinking/ fallow culling. Any comments on real experience appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MH Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Happy with mine on the .223 and 6XC, used at the RRC with no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I've got one on my 7-08 deer rifle and my son has one on his .260, in fact we were dealing to maggies and rabbits with it yesterday The one of my 7-08 I also have the longer Gen3 one on the .223 I haven't got any basis for comparison but it might tell you something that of the 4-5 local makes, Hardy have the lion's share of the market easily ChrisNZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I've got one on my 7-08 deer rifle and my son has one on his .260, in fact we were dealing to maggies and rabbits with it yesterday The one of my 7-08 I also have the longer Gen3 one on the .223 I haven't got any basis for comparison but it might tell you something that of the 4-5 local makes, Hardy have the lion's share of the market easily ChrisNZ But can it take punishmemt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsm Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 But can it take punishmemt? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 It seems so. My main gunsmith who specialises in big bangers says the latest Hardy cans seem to be able to take the punishment. Some of the early magnum Hardy cans were built a tad light.. He showed me a special can Dan had done for Greg's real big banger, the .338 Lunatic. This thing burns 145grs of powder and launches 300 SMKs at over 3350 easily. The can is incredibly quiet the boys reckon. No doubt it heats up pretty quickly with that boiler room. Here it is parked over the barrel of my son's F-TR rifle. Speaking of cans, he told me a funny story. A local chopper pilot who's a bit loose on the technicalities swapped a can to a 7RM barrel with the next smallest thread. First shot sent the can a good 40yds into some thick scrub. Took some looking and lots of scratches to find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38super Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I haven't got any basis for comparison but it might tell you something that of the 4-5 local makes, Hardy have the lion's share of the market easily That's a pretty outrageous statement - are you on commission? Since nobody publishes their sales figures I fail to see how you can make such a statement. I have and use suppressors from many NZ makers and I'd suggest that they all have their pros and cons. Hardy Gen3 is a cracker, perhaps better than the Gen 4. Just my 2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 On commission?? I have zero commercial connection or commercial axe to grind. From that reaction, I might wonder if you can say the same. You only have to look in any gunshop, talk to the number of guys I do and see the talk/toys on the two forums. The only other can that seems to be making inroads from the talk is the modular Roedale clone which is a clone of the orig brand I can't recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Some further info of relevance: I talked to two retailers today and they were sure Hardy have the dominant presence here. The big H&F chain T3 package deal with a Hardy suppressor must shift quite a few units on its own. Hardy Engineering has 750sq m of manufacturing floor and that's a lot of capacity. The fact he is exporting tells you something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is the thread in a hardy steel or ali? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I'd guess anodized alloy Gary but I'll check for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter87 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 It seems so. My main gunsmith who specialises in big bangers says the latest Hardy cans seem to be able to take the punishment. Some of the early magnum Hardy cans were built a tad light.. Jesus.....well if you miss the target you could always push it over with the end of the mod He showed me a special can Dan had done for Greg's real big banger, the .338 Lunatic. This thing burns 145grs of powder and launches 300 SMKs at over 3350 easily. The can is incredibly quiet the boys reckon. No doubt it heats up pretty quickly with that boiler room. Here it is parked over the barrel of my son's F-TR rifle. Speaking of cans, he told me a funny story. A local chopper pilot who's a bit loose on the technicalities swapped a can to a 7RM barrel with the next smallest thread. First shot sent the can a good 40yds into some thick scrub. Took some looking and lots of scratches to find it Jesus that's long..... Well I suppose if you miss the target you could always poke holes with the mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Chances are, if it were any smaller, it would either blow apart or be pretty useless in the noise dep't. It felt to weigh prob 3X what a Gen IV can would be so obviously heavily built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordang Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I'm struggling to decide between the hardy gen iv, atec cmm4 or a olc lightweight jobby for my 7-08 stalker.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I'm struggling to decide between the hardy gen iv, atec cmm4 or a olc lightweight jobby for my 7-08 stalker.... I had a cmm4 on a 25-06 fir a while, lovely lightweight but it was suffering from cutting, and that was mostly single or 2 shots, very little zeroing/plinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordang Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 yeah I've seen the gas cutting issues with the cmm4 but they seem ok on 308 size cals. I reckon the olc will probably win as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roeboy Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I've got one and its perfect. Lightest mod on the market without going to titanium. Sleeves back furthest- apart fom maybe a T8. Noise- dunno, doesn't matter cos its dead anyway. Shot 20 shot strings without effect- but I bet it will cut if you do this a lot. Don't know you have it on and recoil reduction is same as them all.- it's a surface area thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Just a little concerned about the longevity of the aluminium thread against the steel of the rifle barrel, ones gunna give up, and it wont be the steel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Third Eye Spartan won't flame cut Strippable Made of decent materials UK made Cheap Why buy anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Killjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 But right…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordang Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 what does the third eye weigh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 What Ronin said , Honestly , how long do you think a suppressor made from Aluminium is going to last on a rifle that you shoot a lot , even if the thread lasts , the 1st & 2nd baffles are goin to get cut out quite quickly . Other than goin TI , a can with say the 1st 2 baffels in steel and the rest in alloy , is maybe the best considering cost & weight etc . Or a lite all steel can , like a MAE muzzle forward can . Later Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Interesting you mention the first and second baffle cutting, on my cmm4 the first baffle remained perfect while the second one cut badly? I guess the gas was still tight at that point? I had a mae, worst moderator i've owned. Long, heavy, noisey, absolute junk in my subjective opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Over here in New Zealand , the 1st hardy cans , had a rep for blowing up , as they where made very lite/thin , and I have not had one, I have seen the pics and heard enough from other end users in NZ , to stay clear of them . I have quite a few cans , from different makers & countries , and the MAE can I refer too , is bloody nice , very well made & realitively lite for a all SS can , its a compact , muzzle forward design , cost be about 100 GBP , new , its on my Parker Hale M87/C3A1 build at the moment , and my M40A1 clone is going to use the same can as well . I have BT cans that cost me 1k NZD , ie 500 GBP , and they are good solid units , BUT , they could be much better , with a ratchet locking type mech , and they really need to sort out the way the cans are put together/designed , as the internal locking ring for the baffles , always uncsrews from the inside , and thats not really good enough on such an expensive can . Maybe you can tell , I am not overally keen on Aluminium cans for rifles , pistols calibres & rimfire OK , Later Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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