sporting rifles Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I e mailed Berger to se what barrel the recomended to use with there bullets as Iam ready getting ready for a new tube here is the reply from Bryan Litz Pete, In general there is no reason to favor a particular barrel brand over another. However, in your case (shooting very high velocity varmint bullets), there could be a bullet failure issue. In this case, I think a button rifled barrel may be 'gentler' on the bullet, and prevent some failures whereas a cut rifled barrel with potentially sharper riflings may cause more failures. The brand of button rifle isn't important. Also, I would avoid the 'tight' 6mm barrels, and use a standard diameter for the same reason (avoiding bullet failures/blow-ups). Good shooting, -Bryan interesting dont you think,so there is a good explaination for cut and button cut barrels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgobang88 Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Hi Pete, I don't know what chambering or velocities you intend running, if you are operating on 'the ragged edge of nothing' than perhaps you need every little bit of help. What issue is of concern to you? Rotational forces, friction and core melting or fouling? Sounds like moly or HBN coating might help along with 5R rifling, Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I know Pete shoots a .243AI at the minute and "ass u me" that he intends to replace like for like. I tell you what though my Archer barrel shoots in the .1's and costs half what most cut barrel's do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I had the same dilema pete tight bores like amax scenars & skinny bullets .236 .237 are best for bergers! look on 6mmbr.com lot of info on there! (i know u like the cal !:-P) i know from my lookin about that bartilen do both sizes as well as krieger think theres some others too that do both bores! pac nor & shillen are .236 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967spud Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 just twigged hi ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporting rifles Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 just twigged hi ackley PMSL it took you long enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporting rifles Posted October 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I had the same dilema pete tight bores like amax scenars & skinny bullets .236 .237 are best for bergers! look on 6mmbr.com lot of info on there! (i know u like the cal !:-P) i know from my lookin about that bartilen do both sizes as well as krieger think theres some others too that do both bores! pac nor & shillen are .236 as you know I only shoot Bergers,Ive been e mailing Bartilen,but getting a barrel over is the hard part,I have spoken to someone who inports there barrels but I nearly fell of my chair when I was quoted a price to supply fit and chamber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I tell you what though my Archer barrel shoots in the .1's and costs half what most cut barrel's do. Caught me on a good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 5R or canted rifling helps certainly in cut rifled barrels. As does fewer lands (the Lilja 3 groove barrels are very good for high velocity cartriges) Also ball powder, gentler leade angles and gain twists assist if your pushing the envelope.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Pete Foxy had .237 bartilens in stock when I was looking for 300 Was s while ago mind! Cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporting rifles Posted October 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Pete Foxy had .237 bartilens in stock when I was looking for 300 Was s while ago mind! Cheers Andy thats good much better than the £900 supplied fitted screw cut and proofed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 I know Pete shoots a .243AI at the minute and "ass u me" that he intends to replace like for like. I tell you what though my Archer barrel shoots in the .1's and costs half what most cut barrel's do. I do wish you guys with barrels that shoot in the 'ones' would come along to a benchrest match and astound us. Next year, the UKBRA will be altering the rules so that there are just two classes for 100yds benchrest - 6PPC HV and anything else. Come on guys - show us what your rifles will really do. Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch_egg Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 I will pop up for a BR comp. I have only just started this target shooting gig after shooting out in the field and what stops me is the "unknown". (Also my shift pattern means I get limited weekends off) Can I shoot off bi-pod? is there a weight limit? etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporting rifles Posted October 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 I do wish you guys with barrels that shoot in the 'ones' would come along to a benchrest match and astound us. Next year, the UKBRA will be altering the rules so that there are just two classes for 100yds benchrest - 6PPC HV and anything else. Come on guys - show us what your rifles will really do. Vince Hi I think you maybe plesently surprized there are some very good lads with very good rifles out there,Iam being curioulsy drawn to doing some BR shooting I enjoyed 600 yards last Sunday at Bisley cant work out how its all scored ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967spud Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 its all about group sizes not scores sr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 I will pop up for a BR comp. I have only just started this target shooting gig after shooting out in the field and what stops me is the "unknown". (Also my shift pattern means I get limited weekends off) Can I shoot off bi-pod? is there a weight limit? etc No weight limit - yes, you can shoot off your bi-pod - or any rest you like. We have deliberately removed all the rules to try and get a few of you guys competing with those super-accurate rifles. You will compete 'like with like' - the full-house custom benchguns will be in another class. We hope to get a few of you guys interested. Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzar15 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 No weight limit - yes, you can shoot off your bi-pod - or any rest you like. We have deliberately removed all the rules to try and get a few of you guys competing with those super-accurate rifles. You will compete 'like with like' - the full-house custom benchguns will be in another class. We hope to get a few of you guys interested. Vince Vince As a BR virgin I am wondering what a good group size would need to be in order to compete with the regulars. I am making the assumption that 3 or 5 shot groups are what are shot and then the calibre size is subtracted?? What would a non custom quality rifle be expected to achieve?? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Vince As a BR virgin I am wondering what a good group size would need to be in order to compete with the regulars. I am making the assumption that 3 or 5 shot groups are what are shot and then the calibre size is subtracted?? What would a non custom quality rifle be expected to achieve?? Thanks Gazzar, I always tell new shooters that the first objective is to agg under an inch - i.e. the average of five, 5-shot groups. You will be looking for 5-shot groups around 0.5 to 0.75 inches to be competitive but benchrest competition is no different from any other shooting competition - you need to beat the other guy. Conditions will always influence group sizes. But really, a day shooting benchrest is all about meeting like-minded shooters who love accurate rifles. Please come and give it a try. Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxing2night Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Good idea Vince!!! Got to be some way of drumming up interest in one of the most fantastic sports around???? Come on lads come and have a go,,, you will be suprised at how much we all can learn from benchrest,,, I have competed now for three years and really enjoyed every second!!!!! Met some really nice people and made some good friends,,, Vince, sorry that i missed the last comp??, laid up with an ear infection at the moment,,,,, Darrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporting rifles Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 No weight limit - yes, you can shoot off your bi-pod - or any rest you like. We have deliberately removed all the rules to try and get a few of you guys competing with those super-accurate rifles. You will compete 'like with like' - the full-house custom benchguns will be in another class. We hope to get a few of you guys interested. Vince what constitutes a full house custom bench gun ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 what constitutes a full house custom bench gun ??? Basically, what everyone shoots in short range benchrest - 6PPC chambering, tight neck, stock complying to WBSF rules, max. 13.5lbs weight, three-inch flat fore-end etc. If someone turns up with a true benchrest rifle, they will shoot in the benchrest class - otherwise 'any rifle' class. You could have a nice 6PPC foxing rig built on a BAT action but we wouldn't put you in the benchrest class - it would be 'any rifle'. We are trying to encourage competition but we don't want to p*** off anyone by putting you up against a proper benchrest rig. Hopefully however, some of you will inlict humiliation on us.......... Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Good idea Vince!!! Got to be some way of drumming up interest in one of the most fantastic sports around???? Come on lads come and have a go,,, you will be suprised at how much we all can learn from benchrest,,, I have competed now for three years and really enjoyed every second!!!!! Met some really nice people and made some good friends,,, Vince, sorry that i missed the last comp??, laid up with an ear infection at the moment,,,,, Darrel Darrel, Congrats on wining the 2011 UKBRA Factory Sporter Championship. You also shot small group with a 0.224 incher and best agg with 0.364 inches (average of five, 5-shot groups). All that with a pretty standard bit of kit. Hopefully, you might have a bit more opposition next year IF we can get 'em to come along and shoot! Cheers Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporting rifles Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Basically, what everyone shoots in short range benchrest - 6PPC chambering, tight neck, stock complying to WBSF rules, max. 13.5lbs weight, three-inch flat fore-end etc. If someone turns up with a true benchrest rifle, they will shoot in the benchrest class - otherwise 'any rifle' class. You could have a nice 6PPC foxing rig built on a BAT action but we wouldn't put you in the benchrest class - it would be 'any rifle'. We are trying to encourage competition but we don't want to p*** off anyone by putting you up against a proper benchrest rig. Hopefully however, some of you will inlict humiliation on us.......... Vince thanks for that,the more I hear the more it appeals to me,what distances do you shoot at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Custom single shot action - any of the custom makers would suit. Premium barrel. Premium trigger BR or F Class stock. Telescopic sight Sub 1/2 MOA (at least) accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 thanks for that,the more I hear the more it appeals to me,what distances do you shoot at We shoot benchrest at 100, 600 and 1000 yards. All distances have covered firing-points with proper concrete benches so we are out of the weather - it does occasionally rain at Diggle! Have a look at the UKBRA website www.ukbra.co.uk Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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