Bob57

1 hour ago, treetop said:

right,

I’ve read this thread & wasn’t going to post, but feel now that I should .. 

I sent the Parcel in good faith & gave you the tracking number 
I even sent you photos of what was in the parcel & all the Bullets that were loose in the open box - as you had already explained that you had purchased Bullets before that had been ‘pulled’ - to prove that they had not been. 

I kept you posted of any updates & conversation I had with Hermes. 

my last contact with them, the specifically told me that the Bullets were delivered& that there system had a ‘glitch’ 

On the 29th May , You then contacted me & I explained what they said - to which you denied. 
You then contacted Hermes. 

As did I ! 

Since that date I have offered you a full refund & to confirm your bank details

on 9 occasions  !!!!! 

Hermes will not accept liability & as such will not uphold any claim against them. 

I’ve messaged you again today .. 
and again asked you to confirm your bank details, so that I can give you a bank transfer for the funds ! 

Ps ... I dont have a chq book, so your quip on that was rather a mute point !

i find it also funny that you Didn’t have any reservations taking my details to pay me via transfer, but now do when I ask you to confirm them .  

Sorry Al, been cleaning pond out all evening and only just seen your texts and messages here, I'm not going to bother going on about this but the last point, why would I not take your bank details to pay you for something that I was willing to buy off you, you said you didn't do PayPal so you were only offering  bank transfer, how would I have paid you if I didn't take your details?? So what's funny about that??? I don't understand the point!!

Anyway I've not said you're a scammer, we've both lost out here thanks to Hermes, so keep my £45 and send it to a charity, then we've both lost out,  but a charity will gain, just put a pic up of a charity receipt on here and that will be fine, sorted👍

53 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

so what's this chap going to do with your account number and sort code? I'm assuming he's a very honest guy but even if he wasn't, without a lot of other personal security information he can't do anything.

I don't know why people get worked up about giving basic account details.  Every cheque you've ever given had the same details on it (as tikka716 noted).  

£45 is £45.

No,  £45 was £50, I lost a bet with my wife for a fiver who said after a couple of weeks that I wouldn't get my bullets or refund, and I'm not worked up about anything pops, like I said I'm more pi@#ed off with Hermes.

16 hours ago, tikka716 said:

Have you never sent a cheque then? Got all your bank details on that

Yep, you're right mate, like the man who's had my money, as he's got my address he could send me a cheque in the post for refund couldn't he, but that's not been suggested, I've asked him to deal with Hermes as he's the one who's got my money and sent the goods and could possibly claim from Hermes, but not heard from him since Saturday.

3 hours ago, Brillo said:

Odd indeed. When I went the Royal Mail website, because of the item’s size/wt, it automatically redirected me to ParcelForce, which then stipulated that the item had to be below 600 mm (or 500, I can’t remember).

Edit,

Now, there is some bizarre going on with Royal Mail. Due to the information in Bob57s post I decided to send a self same virtual parcel via the Royal Mail App and it accepted all the dimensions I entered. OK, it would’ve been considerably more expensive but at the tracking would’ve been easy for the buyer. Hermes tracking is abysmal in my opinion.

Yep my parcel wasn't cheap £9 odd if if remember correctly, but it got there next day no problem which was the important bit.

6 hours ago, gazzarM1 said:

You might wish to re phrase that last sentence lol

😂😂I didn't notice that 😱

1 hour ago, Brillo said:

The problem with using the Post Office or Parcel Force is the size limit. I need to send and item that’s 90 cm long so that rules them out.

Strange, I sent a parcel at the post office a few years ago which was was 1504 long and the lady behind the counter said sorry it's 1500 max😕 so I stood it on end and pushed down on it and said there you go now its 1498mm😀, to her reply "oh well what's a few mm amongst friends"as she took it in.

39 minutes ago, Re-Pete said:

Hermes lost £80's worth of stuff that I'd sold on Ebay..............vintage radio valves. Despite my accurate description of contents, and delivering three packs of these without a problem, when I tried to claim, they said "we don't deliver anything with glass, it's a restricted item"................wouldn't use them again.

I take anything I'm sending to the local Uni branch of the Post Office now, 2nd class recorded delivery, or special deliv if it's expensive..............never let me down yet. ( hope that doesn't turn out to be "Famous last words......)

Pete

 

Sounds about right with Hermes pete.

Same here with post office, mostly 1st class signed for, never been let down.

3 hours ago, Popsbengo said:

 I've had countless parcels delivered, DPD every time - you get to know when they are coming to the hour.  Never been let down.  If you want bad - Yodel takes the cup

DPD used to be diabolical with us but seem to have got their act together lately, just need to find out who delivered a parcel Friday afternoon that was definitely checked out to see contents, box was open a bit and the  strong woven bag inside had been cut to see what was Inside, amazingly the lead weights were all still there.

2 hours ago, Kron said:

Can I ask why you mention not to use bank transfer as a form of payment? I've used it several times both to send and receive payment and thought it to be a secure method? 

K

Bank transfer might be fairly secure, but if you don't get delivered what you've paid for, do you really want to give your bank details to a someone you don't have a clue about for a refund, I don't and won't, mabey I'm just being over cautious now, but the last person on this forum who sent me pulled bullets with crimp marks and buckled necked down cases didn't refund me a small amount that HE insisted I have, then never sent!! WTF was that about.

PayPal has surely got to be best, as you don't need to give your bank details to someone who could be a scammer, not that I'm implying that this person is as he provided tracking number and has offered a refund, I'm more pi@#ed off with Hermes for still not replying back to me when promised 😤, and we always get a txt from Hermes to say our parcel has been delivered, quite often to no parcel that's been dropped off at our house, drive 1/2 mile up our track to find it chucked in the grass, to@#ers.

So in future anyone selling something on this forum that i want, won't be getting any of more of my hard earned.

Do Not use Hermes, some bullets I bought off a forum member at the beginning of may have not been delivered to my address and after calling Hermes and waiting 25mins for someone to speak to, finally getting through, I was told it had not left their depot and would be investigated as to where it is, and was promised an email within 5 days to let me know about the parcel, almost another week later and no email has arrived, same as parcel.

Another phone call to Hermes, on hold  for 15mins and gave up, I've better things to do than waste my life hanging on the telephone to a useless bloody delivery company that hasn't the decency to fulfill their promised email to me.

And for anyone paying for goods, don't pay by bank transfer like I stupidly did, I was given a Hermes tracking number, and have been offered a refund by the seller, but I'm not prepared to hand over my bank details for the sake of £45.

So be warned do not use Hermes they are cheap, and don't give a toss about their customers.

 I always have a bit of brass in the bolt face on my howa 204 after shooting, last night one shot, one little chip of brass in there when I cleaned it, but I don't worry about it, the bolt always closes on my properly fl sized brass, one of a few reasons for a tight bolt close is a proud primer are you both making sure your primers are seating just below case head surface?

Steve, if you you have some tight cases that you've sized and would like me to run them through my die to see how they chamber pm me , also a couple of your recently fired cases would be handy and I can measure them too.

1 hour ago, outlanda said:

 

 

 

The Gauge has been useful for highlighting variations in my case preparation and I would think this has solved any more stuck cases? The new extractor is extracting so I am going to settle for that for now. I will have to live with chewed cases and hard bolt closing I think. I don't know what's causing it and I think the redding shell holder set to set case to headspace might help but bit expensive if i'm wrong!

 

 

Hi Steve, I don't understand why you're getting variations in your case prep if you have your Redding s bushing die set up properly to achieve bolt close without being tight on a fl sized case, are you still putting the cases through a body die after fl sizing ? Have you got cartridge headspace gauges and callipers to check head space?

You shouldn't be happy with a tight bolt close, you need to get that sorted out.

I wouldn't buy a pulsar axion xm30s, i looked through an axion xm30 recently and if it's the same i thought the field of view was crap, would rather have my quantum lite xq30v any day.

28 minutes ago, outlanda said:

Good evening and thank you again. I have read your comments and I am beginning to think I still have a problem with the cases. I first use the redding type s fl die and then I used the redding forming die which is only working on the case at the bottom close to the rim.

I will look at case size again - I have now run my resized empty cases through the action before installing the new extractor and rejected any that stuck so I know the loads I shall try tomorrow shouldn't get stuck. If no joy I think I need to get some new Lapua cases and start again.

I think Bob57 has explained the 20 Practical is a .223 that is necked down to .204 with Redding type S die and home load only. And yes Baldie Dave put my 20 Practical together in 2010 when with SYSS so unlikely to remember it.

I have been looking for info on M16 extractor and still consider it an option after trying everything else; really trying to avoid sending rifle anywhere at the moment as no gunsmiths here.    

Thank you

Steve 

Steve, throw that forming die away and just use the Redding type s fls die, set up to properly fls the cases so that you just get bolt to close without resistance.

You say you've discarded the tight cases when running them through your chamber, set up your die and resize them, then try shooting them again.

26 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

Hard bolt closing ?  This doesn't sound like an ejector problem at all to me.

This is not right, you should be able to chamber the round with an almost 'drop' into position bolt on closing.  It sounds like your brass is over size for your custom chamber,  ie 'fat' across not long in the neck.  I have had a similar problem with .338.  My Redding Type S die was sizing towards top limit and my chamber is towards bottom limit so the brass was tight going in.  A Hornady die sorted that out.  It may be also made worse by only knocking back the shoulder 2thou as the body isn't going completely into the die.  Try F/L sizing with the shoulder going back to wherever the die takes it.  See if that will chamber easily.

I'm not familiar with 20prac  so I assume you neck down standard .223 ?  Can you compare a brand new .223 to one of your F/L knock-back sized cases?

Maybe have a chat with whoever chambered the barrel if possible?

Yep 20 practical is just a necked down 223 case,  if it's the same rifle mentioned in my 20 practical post then baldie built it, and that will be the same reamer used to chamber mine as Steve Kershaw borrowed it from Dave, and yes when the shoulders were bumped back 2 thou on my cases with a body die it fattened them up somewhere so they would not chamber, that's why I had to fls them all again with the Redding die to get bolt drop.

5 hours ago, KABOOM said:

Most thing s I would think are causing this were mentioned, if possible I would try some factory ammo to see what the rims look like should be interesting and wont cost huge money. I don't own a single Remington rifle and haven't seen this in my CZ, Ruger, or Savage rifles.

 

20 practical is not a factory round, so not possible!!

11 hours ago, outlanda said:

Good evening and thank you for your comments gents. The brass has only ever been used in this barrel. I only run mild loads now(18gr IMR 4198 behind 40gr berger hpbt or Hornady v max and CCi400 primers). Velocity is 3200fps approx., and no signs of over pressure. Hard bolt lift/closing has been a problem and the redding body former die has helped fix this 98%. Closing bolt is easier now with custom JR bolt handle. I have changed the extractor a few times now and wondered if there is a problem with Brownell extractors. All sizing has been with a redding s type full length die. I thought the brass might be worn out so have just tried some new PPU and once fired IMI and still marking the rims.  Thank you Ian I will investigate the M16 extractor option 

Steve

Steve, a mate gave me 200+ federal cases that were once fired in his sako 85 (factory ammo), so before I got my rifle I thought might as well get all the cases sized for 20 prac and ready to load, I was hoping I'd get away with just bumping the shoulders back 2 thou from my mates fired Cases in his chamber, so borrowed his 223 body die and set them all 2thou back, but when I got rifle back and checked to see if bolt would close on the cases it was too tight so had to resize the whole lot again in the Redding s bushing die, just kept dropping die a bit until no resistance on bolt, had no problems with extraction.

How are you using the body die? After sizing with the Redding s bushing die ?

1 hour ago, justin credible said:

This reminded me of a crow that I shot off a fence post with my 20prac with the 39gr vmax. 

Just as it spread its wings to fly off the vmax hit it square in the chest, its body and head just simply vaporised and 2 wings just fell to the floor. It was just simply spectacular and one of those shots I will never forget. 

Nice one jc, bet that made you smile when you saw that go off😀, one magpie i shot there were 9 yds between where it's head and tail were laying, that made me😀😀😀😀😀, one I'll not forget too😃

3 hours ago, outlanda said:

Thank you Bob57. 20 practical has been an excellent little round, I like your rifle build particularly the bolt work. It looks expensive and worth it - the only worry would be that I could have bought an clone action by the time I finish spending so I will have to investigate. Essentially I would like to fix issues with the rem extractor. I have just read the post and remember it now from last year. Also a reminder of Bradders when reading his contribution. Thank you.

Steve 

No probs mate, hopefully you'll get your extractor sorted out, bloody annoying when something doesn't work right, if you don't get it fixed i would call Steve for a chat about the custom bolt it really is nice.

There you go outlanda 👍

Hi outlands, I have a 20 prac built on a rem sa, and decided to do away with the original bolt and have a fluted custom bolt fitted which I'm sure had a sako extractor fitted, it's smoth as silk, wasn't cheap but worth every penny imo.

Steve Kershaw did the build, I'll put the thread up to top of page on varmint rifle's and heavy plinkers for you, there's a couple of pics on there which will show you the bolt.

If you lads don't have any luck with mph I have a Third eye 20moa rem s/a rail, a few marks where mounts bolted on, and don't have screws.

2 hours ago, treetop said:

For sale ..

262 x 20gr Vmax  .17 Cal 

& 

75 ( approx ) x 25gr Vmax .17cal 

£ 45 posted the lot ( I don’t want to split as I have no need for any of them now ) 

thanks 

al 

Yes please, if they are all new and none pulled?

3 hours ago, No i deer said:

The best way has to be with a primer pocket uniformer and it also keeps the primer seated at the proper depth as they get shallower every firing..

They may take out brass up to 10 firings until they've finished stretching and mainly take of the carbon.

 

Being seated to the right depth may also stop any piercing of the primers and any high primers that's proud of the case base

That's how I do it, k&m primer pocket uniformer, tumble clean then k&m in the battery drill for a quick primer pocket clean out, always get a bit of brass in with the carbon taken out .

Stops that odd round with a slightly proud primer not letting the bolt close.

Miki mentioned about pressure compressing the head and the primer pockets shrinking, i think that's exactly whats happened with my 204, the last time I tried to clean the pockets most of the cases I tried I could not hold the case the k&m was so tight I gave up,  never had that before, and the only thing different that I can think of is the powder I'm burning is now different!!!