Moorlander

So what's wrong with Lothar Walther?

1 hour ago, Dellboy said:

Would it not be easier to buy a 22 Hornet   i think ive got one at the back of the safe ...

38 minutes ago, Artiglio said:

Why would the import duty be set at 8% for items from EU country when from the US its 2.7%?

In addition to the facebook post , i’ve also been told ( but not seen it in print) that the carriers are either refusing or placing greater restrictions on deliveries of shooting related goods, I asked about an order with reloading international this year and they now require you to use a freight agent this side as they say they are unable to use parcel force. With the current exchange rate , these additional costs  meant that to me the saving was not worth the investment.

The problem is that the UK market for shooting products is small, there are no domestic manufacturers and so just about all of it has to imported either by individuals or business, running a business in the UK is an expensive undertaking especially when you factor in capital tied up in stock that may sit there for years, so investing in large quantities of a say a bullet that then goes out of fashion is a risky undertaking, the costs of which have to be spread over the sales as a whole. Then throw in exchange rates for good measure. Employ staff and your overheads rocket yet again. 20 shops in the uk selling 50k bullets a year will never be able to compete with a warehouse in brussels selling a million.

There are also stories circulating that even for the companies that import to the uk the manufacturers are insisting on ever greater minimum order quantities that they will ship, requiring ever greater amounts of capital tied up in stock that may take years to sell.

Around 80% of my consumables have come from within the uk, for the rest i’ve used brownells (when you could import from the US) and shootingsupplieseu as their service was superb ( though their stocks were always variable). 

So when if you have sufficient funds to purchase sufficient quantities to last a year or so you are faced with the opportunity of saving 25% ( and may well find there is no stock in the uk) most people are going to take the saving, it also introduces market forces into the market.

In the absence of being able to import as individuals, those choices are removed and the commercial importers will not be shy in using it to their advantage, it may well not be to make excessive profits more likely adding a couple of percent instead to the bottom line instead and turning “getting by” into a reasonable living.

The 8% is what a certain importer / distributor will increase their prices by from what I been told by someone who works for them , I guess a lot will be extra admin work , banking etc , what a great excuse for them to ramp up prices

28 minutes ago, Scotch_egg said:

It shouldn’t be as we are still in Europe at the moment. 

Yes it should be , you will always pay the VAT in the country of origin unless you are a UK VAT registered business then its zeroed at source .

Edit , post Brexit you wont be charged VAT at source on European purchases BUT there will be import duty , around 8% then VAT on top of everything , payable to HMRC  , VAT registered businesses will claim the VAT back but still have to charge VAT on the items when they are sold, expect all guns and related products from the EU to go up by at least 8% , stuff from the US will remain the same as today.

14 hours ago, baldie said:

You reap what you sow.

I've made the decision this Christmas, that my shop will no longer carry reloading supplies from next year, apart from stuff I need myself.

Absolutely no point whatsoever is having thousands of pounds worth of stock, when folk are buying it abroad, or buying it from my local range at virtually trade price.

This is because of footfall past their door.

The money will be going into even more actions, barrels and stocks. The cut price whallers have no influence on that.

Not a problem for my business. I'm established enough to change .Some of the small guys couldn't.

Just remember when you buy a tub of powder from your local gunsmith, he may be relying on little scraps like that to survive. When he is no longer there, who will fix your guns ?

It certainly won't be the price gougers.

Bang on , it happens in other markets as well , precious penny pinchers then cry theres no insert shop type here  local to where they live , it`ll bite shooters on the arse when the only choice is SGC and the likes left and then you will then get well and truly financially raped.

Maybe Lapua are telling all their  retailers to stick to their territory or get no more stock ? 

16 minutes ago, baldie said:

Successfully ?

That video has more holes in it than a gorgonzola. 

According to a trade Cerakoter 😉

The bottom line is if you are capable of painting motor vehicles to a good standard you can cerakote firearms, its not a dark art or even a green or FDE art

21 minutes ago, Woodlander said:

Thanks guys a torch it is, to start with and take it from there

Certainly the cheapest route , rabbits are pretty dumb in front of a lamp , I`ve had over 100 a night on many occasions with a lamp , NV is more versatile and works exceptionally well for foxing and on the recent cull.

On 12/14/2019 at 3:30 AM, baldie said:

DIY ?   No.

Not unless you have access to a clean, dry aluminium oxide blaster, and an oven large enough, that will run at 300 degrees, plus soaking tanks etc.

Not really sure who would be near you ? Maybe Chris at Spartan refinishing ? Or Jay at Tactical coatings ?

I'm in Barnsley, which is nowhere near you.

 

Americans have been successfully DIY Cerakoting for years 

Get NV if you can but not the truly sh*** type with a screen on the top ,  an older model used Photon should not be too expensive .

You can get DIY kits from the UK distributor from £130.00 https://www.facebook.com/CerakoteUK/

18 minutes ago, John MH said:

I think the term used these days by the liberal elite is you have to be 'woke'.

In its modern-day, politicised context, 'woke' is defined by the OED as 'originally: well-informed, up-to-date. Now chiefly: alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice'.

Or IMHO the ability to be offended by everything and be the excuse used to shut down debate, particularly from the left leaning snowflakes, when it does not fit their polarised agenda.

Yes, and that weakness is what causes the erosion of shooting rights in the UK , too many shooters have been bitten by the snowflake virus and are scarred to make some noise to defend their sport .

2 minutes ago, brown dog said:

Don't see anything wrong with question or the answer given - but it's a classic diversionary question that hopes to elicit a 'racist' response.

I'd certainly be interested in hearing , pops, how would you define englishness?

Clearly this forum is too snow flakey for discussions like that.

Vote Labour  

Borris may be toff but I believe he has the countries interest's at heart which is undoubtedly more than you can say for Corbyn.

8 minutes ago, Popsbengo said:

Oh, I'm totally convinced by your arguments chaps, I'll trot along and vote for an arswhole then

No dont , we are explaining why you should`nt vote for Corbyn.😁

1 hour ago, One on top of two said:

 

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11 hours ago, Popsbengo said:

The world is not black and white, both main parties are run by incompetent and self-serving individuals.

I don't want Brexit, I don't care about the nonsensical arguments about "democracy".  It's all about the 10% in the middle - have they changed their minds?

I choose the path that is least unpleasant knowing that most of the extreme nonsense in Jezza is well under control

Possibly the most ridiculous reasoning for voting labour I've ever heard.

Bozer gets my vote , anything else is a waste of a vote if you want the UK to move forward and prosper , a hung parliament would be as equally disastrous as a Labour government . 

Voting has never been so important however much you may despise the choices.

I wouldnt use paraffin in non stripping mod, you`d never be sure it was dried out and could prove exciting on the first firing

If they are really caked up brush on some Hoppes 9 or similar and let it soak , then scrub it with a brass brush , blast with brake cleaner , wipe off then a light film of gun oil and anti seize on the threads. Wear rubber gloves.

I hate unstrippable mod`s , you just know they are very soon full of sh**e , a few drops of rain or condensation build up and its all running down your muzzle.

Dont forget to put in for a variation

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2 hours ago, gunner said:

If i want something manufacturer for me to my spec and that manufacturer can & will do this , then thats what ill do thank you . That action was delivered to my smith and i took the blank and stock to him - he already had the right reamer . And i bought the trigger thru that smith - he never had any issues . 

ps sorry palo for hijack 

You are missing the point of retail , your rifle smith will no doubt use what ever components you request made to your spec  ...if he thinks they are suitable , however if you order direct and there`s an issue with with something its your problem not your rifle smiths , you then have to pay to send the defective items back ,  and dont forget you are taking a cut out of your rifle smiths income if you are cutting him out of the deal , in the automotive trade no self respecting garage will fit customer supplied parts.

Maybe you could go a step further and build the rifle yourself on a £300 Machine mart lathe and when its best group is 10 MOA you can rant at your supplier for selling you dodgy components , they`ll then ask you to send in your barreled action ... but you cant as you are not an RFD and your local rifle smith has gone out of business trying to compete with precious penny pinchers  

Any RFD`s and rifle smiths on here are welcome to offer me a discount for fighting their corner